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« Reply #240 on: March 10, 2013, 05:52:11 pm »
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But the Welsh Local Government Association (WLGA) said it did not support the call for reorganisation.

Of course they don't.  That would be voting themselves out of a job.  When the last round of reorganisation took place, that created Conwy and the other smaller counties, many said it would end up being a 'jobs for the boys' exercise and so it has proved.
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« Reply #241 on: May 02, 2013, 07:37:32 am »
Steve Jones, Emeritus Professor of Human Genetics at UCL said: β€œOn a long trudge through history – two parents, four great-grandparents, and so on – very soon everyone runs out of ancestors and has to share them.

"As a result, almost every Briton is a descendant of Viking hordes, Roman legions, African migrants, Indian Brahmins, or anyone else they fancy."
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« Reply #242 on: December 14, 2013, 01:56:02 pm »
I wasn't at sure about the 'joke' when I first saw it, but given the disquiet some have shown I've removed it.

Quite right too!

What concerns me however, is that the boot seems to be only on one foot!   Why do we have a "black police officers assn" and a "Black Solicitors Assn", but not a white one of either?  Who is the racist in that situation?    ZXZ

Check this out on Google, "Black Associations in UK", then tell me where we're going wrong!   :rage:
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« Reply #243 on: December 14, 2013, 03:57:07 pm »
I wasn't at sure about the 'joke' when I first saw it, but given the disquiet some have shown I've removed it.

Quite right too!

What concerns me however, is that the boot seems to be only on one foot!   Why do we have a "black police officers assn" and a "Black Solicitors Assn", but not a white one of either?  Who is the racist in that situation?    ZXZ

Check this out on Google, "Black Associations in UK", then tell me where we're going wrong!   :rage:

I've been a Union member all my working life and in addition to branches of the above I've also seen this introduced "We run four national forums for women, black, disabled, and lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender members"     A Union should be just what it says,  a united association for all its members and not splitting it into selected factions.

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« Reply #244 on: December 14, 2013, 05:19:34 pm »
I wasn't at sure about the 'joke' when I first saw it, but given the disquiet some have shown I've removed it.

Quite right too!

What concerns me however, is that the boot seems to be only on one foot!   Why do we have a "black police officers assn" and a "Black Solicitors Assn", but not a white one of either?  Who is the racist in that situation?    ZXZ

Check this out on Google, "Black Associations in UK", then tell me where we're going wrong!   :rage:

I've been a Union member all my working life and in addition to branches of the above I've also seen this introduced "We run four national forums for women, black, disabled, and lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender members"     A Union should be just what it says,  a united association for all its members and not splitting it into selected factions.

the LGBT committees seem to so do quite a good job for our union, the reassurance for some workers is just knowing they're there. There is still a lot of industries where being openly gay is unheard of, football being one of the main ones. We have laws to protect disabled workers being discriminated against it's only fair that other minorities shouldn't suffer either.

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« Reply #245 on: December 14, 2013, 08:05:47 pm »
There seems to have been a major drift away from the thread!  Unless, of course, one has a good laugh at the last few posts, which is about all they deserve.

Could the Admin maybe start a thread on which Members can have their arguements in private, and save disturbing the natural continuance of each thread?    ZXZ
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« Reply #246 on: December 14, 2013, 09:08:06 pm »
There seems to have been a major drift away from the thread!  Unless, of course, one has a good laugh at the last few posts, which is about all they deserve.

Could the Admin maybe start a thread on which Members can have their arguements in private, and save disturbing the natural continuance of each thread?    ZXZ

Or you may be more at home on a jokes website. Rather than in a discussion forum?

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« Reply #247 on: December 15, 2013, 01:42:14 am »
B2R, when was it agreed that YOU could decide what this Forum was used for?

Seems a little autocratic to me.
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« Reply #248 on: December 15, 2013, 11:31:28 am »
Quite frankly I am unable to see what all the fuss is about, or have I missed something?   
the whole country is no so concerned with Political Correctness that common sense has flown out of the window.

As a child I had a Gollywog and there were Golliwogs on the jars of jam and marmalade.  Why are Golliwogs not PC any more, we certainly have a plethora of white and pink dolls,  do the "coloured" folk object to them?   Will the three words above be deleted?

The World (or more so Europe) has gone mad!

As Tony Newley would have said (or did say), "Stop the World, I want to get off!"  Some days I feel the same urge!   ZXZ
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« Reply #249 on: December 15, 2013, 11:34:49 am »
There seems to have been a major drift away from the thread!  Unless, of course, one has a good laugh at the last few posts, which is about all they deserve.

Could the Admin maybe start a thread on which Members can have their arguements in private, and save disturbing the natural continuance of each thread?    ZXZ

Or you may be more at home on a jokes website. Rather than in a discussion forum?

You seem like an ignorant, self righteous pig to me!    L0L
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« Reply #250 on: December 15, 2013, 11:39:31 am »
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« Reply #251 on: December 15, 2013, 01:41:56 pm »
There seems to have been a major drift away from the thread!  Unless, of course, one has a good laugh at the last few posts, which is about all they deserve.

Could the Admin maybe start a thread on which Members can have their arguements in private, and save disturbing the natural continuance of each thread?    ZXZ

Or you may be more at home on a jokes website. Rather than in a discussion forum?

You seem like an ignorant, self righteous pig to me!    L0L

That may very well be so  $thanx$ But at least I'm consistent, you started off wittering about the black police and solicitors groups then changed to grumbling when people replied to you.

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« Reply #252 on: December 15, 2013, 01:49:58 pm »
B2R.... I think Yorkie is making the same point, (unless I'm missing it completely?)

Surely by having such associations, (Black Police Officers for example...) that in itself leads to differences being highlighted, and more exclusive clubs being created?

I have always wondered if a 'White Police Officers Association' would be tolerated, or even allowed to exist.

I think not.     

What I am saying is, any such association which excludes others based on colour, gender etc, is questionable.
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« Reply #253 on: December 15, 2013, 05:39:15 pm »

You seem like an ignorant, self righteous pig to me!    L0L

That may very well be so  $thanx$ But at least I'm consistent, you started off wittering about the black police and solicitors groups then changed to grumbling when people replied to you.

But then, I think most people know that I write in Double Dutch.    L0L
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« Reply #254 on: January 15, 2014, 08:54:52 am »
Who's surprised?

Scargill used Thatcherite policy in bid to buy London flat

Former miners' union leader Arthur Scargill tried to use laws introduced by Margaret Thatcher to buy a council flat in London, the BBC has found.

In 1993 he applied to buy the flat on the prestigious Barbican estate under the right-to-buy scheme championed by Thatcher, his political enemy.

News that he tried to exploit a flagship Conservative policy has angered current miners' union leaders.

One former Yorkshire miner said: "It's so hypocritical it's unreal."

The rent on the flat was paid to the Corporation of London by the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM), of which Mr Scargill was the then president.

After Margaret Thatcher became prime minister in May 1979, the legislation to implement the right to buy was passed in the Housing Act 1980.

The sale price of a council house was based on its market value but also included a 33% to 50% discount to reflect the rents paid by tenants and encourage take-up. The policy became one of the major planks of Thatcherism.

Evidence of Mr Scargill's attempt to buy the Barbican property under the scheme is contained in legal documents obtained by the BBC's Inside Out programme.

The papers relate to a court case last year in which Mr Scargill lost the right to stay in his London flat for life at the expense of the NUM.

The 76-year-old told the BBC that had he succeeded in buying the flat he would subsequently have transferred its ownership to the union.

He said this would have saved the union a substantial amount of money and provided it with an asset.

However, his application was refused because the flat in the Barbican Estate's Shakespeare Tower was not Mr Scargill's primary residence.

He did not mention in his application that the flat was paid for by the NUM and it was established in the Barbican court case that, from 1991 until 2008, the NUM's national executive committee did not know it was paying for the flat.

NUM general secretary Chris Kitchen said: "The fact that Scargill tried to use Thatcher's right-to-buy scheme is bad enough, but there is no evidence it would have been signed over to the NUM for the benefit of the members.

"We just have his word which 10 years ago would have been enough for me, but not now.

"Unfortunately the perception I had of Arthur the great trade unionist, socialist, just is nothing like the reality as to the man that I know now and that I've been at loggerheads with for most of my term of office."

Former Scargill loyalist Jimmy Kelly, a miner at the Edlington Main pit near Doncaster in the 1980s, said he was astonished to learn of the attempt to buy the Barbican flat.

"It's so hypocritical it's unreal," he said. "It was Thatcher's legislation, actually giving council tenants the right to buy their own houses.

"I think if it had been made public before then there'd have been a huge outcry. I think people would be astounded by knowing that.

"During the strike there was nothing better than him [Scargill], we'd have followed him to the end of the world and, in effect, we probably did."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25731328