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Re: Points to Ponder
« Reply #195 on: January 20, 2013, 09:26:11 am »
I'm in agreement with all those people who suggest "bringing back the Matron!"

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« Reply #196 on: January 20, 2013, 08:05:57 pm »
I have always been a staunch supporter of the NHS, and it has been a fantastic help to me and my family at various points in my life.
However in recent years, I have been very disappointed by the standard of care (or even basic courtesy) that I have seen personally from GP's, hospital staff, and most definitely consultants/specialists.
Some I have seen recently are lacking in the most basic communication or inter-personal skills, contradict themselves and the NHS's own literature, and seem content to just delay treatment in the hope you will simply go away.
I often find that it pays to arm oneself with a little knowledge on the condition or symptoms you wish to be diagnosed, because if you do then you slight chance of having a sensible conversation and challenging them.

I was lucky enough to have private medical cover for the last 25 years due to my employment, but now I have noticed a severe downturn in the quality of care in the NHS, and it saddens me and frustrates me greatly.
I don't see it getting any better in future I'm afraid.
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« Reply #197 on: January 20, 2013, 08:51:13 pm »
I really cannot complain about the service I have hand over the past years.  Had it not been for the attention I have received I could have been 6 feet under long ago.  Major heart surgery in the nineties and an Aortic Aneurism repair in 2000.   I have received excellent attention from the eye specialists and especially from the Medical practice I attend.

However I do agree that the NHS is suffering generally and one hears more people complaining than praising it.   
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« Reply #198 on: January 20, 2013, 09:03:49 pm »
Your experience with the Eye Specialists is entirely contrary to my own.

I waited 7 months to see the specialist, and had my appointment cancelled (on the day) on four occasions.
This meant three unnecessary and costly trips to Bangor.  The specialist apparently phoned in sick on each occasion.  &shake&
However, I needn't have worried, because it was a waste of time when I eventually got to see them.

That is only one of several poor experiences I have had in recent years, I must be just unlucky?

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« Reply #199 on: January 21, 2013, 07:27:21 am »
I went to St Asaph eye unit which is now moved to the old Abergele Hospital.   Easy to get to, loads of parking and as it is small no crowds.   Next time ask to go there and try to see Mr NG, brilliant eye surgeon.    :o
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« Reply #200 on: January 21, 2013, 07:43:34 am »
I have to admit that our own experiences with the NHS - through Bangor and Glan Clwyd - have been excellent. GPs, On the other hand , have never really been up to much overall, although you can strike lucky and find a decent one.
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« Reply #201 on: January 22, 2013, 09:29:57 am »
Humans are a plague on the Earth that need to be controlled by limiting population growth, according to Sir David Attenborough.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/9815862/Humans-are-plague-on-Earth-Attenborough.html

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« Reply #202 on: January 22, 2013, 04:42:56 pm »
...and he's spot on, although it's not an original point of view.
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« Reply #203 on: January 22, 2013, 05:17:13 pm »
It's one of Fester's favourite rants.  :laugh:

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« Reply #204 on: January 22, 2013, 06:23:33 pm »
I think it is a belief that is becoming more widely held, with every passing year.

In fact I find it a fascinating subject, as we seem incapable as a Human race to take any significant action on the problem, although the Chinese had a stab at it.

If we don't tackle it, then the future is pretty grim, and Mother Nature will do it for us.  Z@@
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« Reply #205 on: January 22, 2013, 06:32:00 pm »
Cornwall Council Tory group leader Fiona Ferguson quits Cabinet post over "lie detector" test

THE leader of the Conservative group at Cornwall Council has sensationally quit her role on the Cabinet in a row over the use of lie detector tests on people claiming single person's council tax discount.

Fiona Ferguson claimed in her resignation email – which was placed online by councillors – that leader of the council Jim Currie had threatened to sack her from her Cabinet post if she revealed the details of the lie detector test being used.

The Voice Risk Analysis (VRA) software – which is known as a lie detector test – is allegedly being used by company Capita which has been employed by the council to carry out a review of people claiming single person's council tax discount.

The relief allows anyone living on their own to claim 25% of their council tax bills. Letters were sent out to those claiming the benefit last year and these were being followed up with telephone interviews.

During these interviews, Mrs Ferguson claims, the company was going to use VRA.

On Capita's website it states that VRA is "capable of identifying stress and emotion in a caller's voice pattern".

In her resignation email to Mr Currie she states that VRA had previously been reviewed by the Department of Work and Pensions which found that it was not reliable.

She wrote: "I have discussed this matter with the monitoring officer. He has advised me that, as this is an operational matter in relation to a contract that the council has already entered into, he strongly advises me that I should not require  that this software is not used. If, contrary to his advice, I maintain my stance that we must not use this software then officers will comply provided you also agree.

"You have made it clear to me that you will not agree. Indeed, you have said that I will be 'sacked' if I inform members that this software will be used.

"That will not be necessary. Please accept my resignation with immediate effect.

"May I say that I have no reason whatsoever to believe that you were aware of this aspect of the contract before I drew it to your attention. I also appreciate that you are in a difficult position in view of the monitoring officer's advice.

"But, I do not believe that his advice is correct and I cannot accept it on ethical grounds. I also do not believe that it will help the council to pursue fraud (which we must surely do) if the public think we are using this software.

"Finally, I fear that it will be extremely damaging to our reputation.

"Therefore, I am launching a petition to require any use of this type of technology to be approved by full council."

In a statement Cornwall Council said that the interviews were being carried out to verify details provided by claimants.

It said: "These interviews will be carried out by trained assessors who will use specialist technology to assist this process. This technology has been successfully used by a number of local authorities carrying out similar reviews. All claimants will be advised that the calls will be recorded, monitored and used for fraud prevention purposes."

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« Reply #206 on: January 23, 2013, 07:35:35 am »
VRA is used routinely by some insurance companies and has been for some years.
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« Reply #207 on: January 23, 2013, 09:19:55 am »
and now the DWP it seems.

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« Reply #208 on: January 23, 2013, 11:34:02 am »
That was a very interesting article you posted Bri about the lie detector tests.  I had heard that the Conservatives were introducing it on certain benefits and wondered when it was coming into practise and I am sure that there will be the usual outcry from certain Human rights and civil liberties activists.    Fraud is costing this country billions in lost revenue and the people committing these acts are actually robbing us, the taxpayers directly and indirectly.
Fraud investigation is an expensive and lengthy process whereas a lie detector test has an immediate and relatively inexpensive conclusion.  It's not 100 per cent accurate  (96 per cent )  but it could certainly be used as circumstantial evidence.
From a personal viewpoint I am all in favour of this and just wish that they would extend it to the legal system because it would have tremendous benefits there. 
For example two high profile legal cases ongoing at present.  One an appeal against a conviction for murder and probably hoping the conviction for murder to be overturned on a technicality and the other an alleged child abduction and murder.
Both have costed hundreds of thousands of pounds in their investigation but more importantly is the distress and anguish caused to the families and friends of the victims.    One simple lie detector test would have answered all the questions but are the accused shouting out to take a test to prove their innocence?   No and only they know the reasons why they haven't asked for one.

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« Reply #209 on: January 23, 2013, 12:08:37 pm »
There is little scientific evidence to support the reliability of polygraphs. From Wikipedia:

Despite claims of 90% - 95% reliability, critics charge that rather than a "test", the method amounts to an inherently unstandardizable interrogation technique whose accuracy cannot be established.
 
A 1997 survey of 421 psychologists estimated the test's average accuracy at about 61%, a little better than chance.[15] Critics also argue that even given high estimates of the polygraph's accuracy a significant number of subjects (e.g. 10% given a 90% accuracy) will appear to be lying, and would unfairly suffer the consequences of "failing" the polygraph.
In the 1998 Supreme Court case, United States v. Scheffer, the majority stated that "There is simply no consensus that polygraph evidence is reliable" and "Unlike other expert witnesses who testify about factual matters outside the jurors' knowledge, such as the analysis of fingerprints, ballistics, or DNA found at a crime scene, a polygraph expert can supply the jury only with another opinion...".[16]
 
Also, in 2005 the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals stated that "polygraphy did not enjoy general acceptance from the scientific community".[17] In 2001 William G. Iacono, Distinguished McKnight University Professor of Psychology and Neuroscience and Director, Clinical Science and Psychopathology Research Training Program at the University of Minnesota, published a paper titled "Forensic "Lie Detection": Procedures Without Scientific Basis" in the peer reviewed Journal of Forensic Psychology Practice. He concluded that "Although the CQT[clarify] may be useful as an investigative aid and tool to induce confessions, it does not pass muster as a scientifically credible test. CQT theory is based on naive, implausible assumptions indicating (a) that it is biased against innocent individuals and (b) that it can be beaten simply by artificially augmenting responses to control questions.
Although it is not possible to adequately assess the error rate of the CQT, both of these conclusions are supported by published research findings in the best social science journals (Honts et al., 1994; Horvath, 1977; Kleinmuntz & Szucko, 1984; Patrick & Iacono, 1991). Although defence attorneys often attempt to have the results of friendly CQTs admitted as evidence in court, there is no evidence supporting their validity and ample reason to doubt it. Members of scientific organizations who have the requisite background to evaluate the CQT are overwhelmingly sceptical of the claims made by polygraph proponents."[18]
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