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Hugo

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« Reply #765 on: December 03, 2018, 11:47:17 AM »
Dave,  it was reported that Mr Reynolds had bought the lease on the property, do you know by chance  who he bought it from?

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« Reply #766 on: December 04, 2018, 10:56:32 PM »
Conwy 'retirement area' pressure on care service claim


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« Reply #767 on: December 05, 2018, 11:38:53 AM »
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"Former cabinet member Chris Hughes said Conwy was now a place people went to retire, ..............while ex-deputy leader Ronnie Hughes hinted at priority for locals."

These Councillors should go far,

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« Reply #768 on: December 05, 2018, 02:02:54 PM »
I hear Siberia's nice at this time of year...
“Nothing is so firmly believed as that which we least know.”   ― Michel de Montaigne

Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes.

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« Reply #769 on: December 06, 2018, 12:05:42 PM »
When a company goes into insolvency they quite often have numerous small creditors who have no chance of ever getting their money back and it is those small creditors that I feel sorry for.     In these difficult times it is hard enough for them to trade anyway without having companies going bust on them.
Unfortunately, I have seen a number of companies going bust and in some of them there seems to be a certain trend for example:-

Mr A N Other buys a property
A limited company is formed of which Mr ANO  is the main director along with at least one other
The ltd company starts trading from that property
A written agreement is drawn out whereby the company (  that's Mr ANO )  pays a fixed amount of money to Mr A N Other for the rent or lease of the property
The company trades successfully but then for whatever reason gets into financial difficulty and gets wound up
A list of creditors is drawn up by the Administrator and that will include Mr A N Other who will become a creditor to his own company

Non preferential creditors usually end up with nothing or very little as the company has no assets, the property of course is still owned by Mr ANO and it's all perfectly legal    ???

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« Reply #770 on: December 07, 2018, 07:06:13 PM »
Hugo, regarding your above post, it has an official title and the government are in the process of looking into this problem.  ?

Watching tonights BBC regional news, the term "phoenixing"  came up, with regards to a mr Samuel Goldman and the Cheshire festival, he declared liquidation  owing £400,000 and started again ready for the 2019 festival, not to mention his Xmas Fayre.

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« Reply #771 on: December 07, 2018, 10:58:58 PM »
Steve,   this practise has been going on for years and the government has been aware of it all the time.    Somehow I don't think that anything will come of it as what I've described is perfectly legal.
At one time I could reel out at least 9 or 10 companies that were phoenix companies run by the same director and at the same premises and one by one they went into liquidation but there was no comeback on the directors

It's the same with the tax avoidance system and unlike tax evasion is quite legal and  a former Chancellor of the exchequer could confirm this.



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« Reply #772 on: Yesterday at 09:35:07 AM »
Yes Hugo it has been going on for years ,my one was the Pearl ins  who went on to become Phoenix   What a job I had getting my pension off them.

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« Reply #773 on: Yesterday at 11:42:27 AM »
I'm glad that you were able to get your pension sorted out Norman, it must have been quite a worry for you at the time.   Unfortunately some people are not so lucky though and have to suffer through no fault of their own.
It is so easy for someone to set up a Limited company, you just need a minimum of two directors and if the company goes into liquidation then there is usually no come back on the directors even though they ran the company.
The company is responsible for any debts incurred and not the directors who ran the business