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Offline SteveH

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Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
« Reply #345 on: October 19, 2020, 11:56:48 am »
A post on local social media ?  unconfirmed, but the cynical me believes it..... Over heard in Supermarket while waiting to check out.

A male commented on his overflowing trolley, that he had bought extra, having just been told that his Covid test was positive and he should isolate. 

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Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
« Reply #346 on: October 20, 2020, 11:36:00 am »
 
      I told you if you kept on going to town and breaking the rules, you would end up in lockdown


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« Reply #347 on: October 22, 2020, 09:59:28 am »
List of businesses that must close in Welsh 'fire-break' and those who can keep trading
Fans of garden centres will be disappointed but car repair garages can stay open

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/list-businesses-must-close-welsh-19145402

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« Reply #348 on: October 22, 2020, 11:06:03 am »
But at least hardware stores can stay open it seems!

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« Reply #349 on: October 27, 2020, 09:55:42 am »
Covidiot from England found sleeping in his car and I bet he's not the only one , at least he's been reported for breaching the rules,    $good$               


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/covidiot-found-sleeping-car-broke-19170726

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« Reply #350 on: October 27, 2020, 12:46:42 pm »
A statement from the Gwent Police says  "We issued a number of fixed penalty notices including for house parties and large gatherings."
I hope that the North Wales Police follow the same example


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« Reply #351 on: October 27, 2020, 10:15:03 pm »
Police say a 'selfish minority' are still flouting lockdown rules in Wales

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-say-selfish-minority-still-19175784

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« Reply #352 on: October 30, 2020, 02:49:54 pm »
As an early supporter of face mask use, I was annoyed that their use was not raised in this article by Dr Williams............

Chatting in homes, pubs and restaurants is behind the recent spike in coronavirus.
Dr Chris Williams, from Public Health Wales, said most cases were not caused by venues having lax measures in place, but were simply due to the way people behaved.

Dr Williams, who is part of a team which analyses people's behaviour in the weeks before they become unwell, said talking was "great for transmission".
Speaking to BBC Wales, he said: "People are getting infected in households, places like pubs, restaurants and bars.

"It's just the fact that you are talking to someone across a table or there closely with someone who is from a different household.

"Every time we stop and talk to someone, particularly if they're from outside our household, you have just had a potential transmission event."
He said: "Talking is great unfortunately for transmission, as is singing, shouting and that kind of thing.
"Those are the kind of things that we see, that manifest themselves in the rising numbers."

Dr Williams said the fact that Covid-19 was a "respiratory droplet infection" meant that talking was a particular issue.

He added: "So the closer you are talking to someone, the better it transmits. Speaking to people is something we find very hard not to do. I think that's part of the problem because we don't see that as a bad activity."                           ref DP

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« Reply #353 on: October 31, 2020, 10:34:04 am »
11 people in court for crossing Wales border during firebreak lockdown but when are we going to hear about the North Wales Police taking any enforcement action?

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/11-court-crossing-border-between-19196785

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« Reply #354 on: October 31, 2020, 02:11:15 pm »
People crossing the border from England into Wales in this lockdown period are quite rightly prosecuted when caught but the same thing should also apply in reverse.
We were told not to travel out of the County we lived in yet some people in North Wales are crossing County borders and going into England too.
Why weren't the Railway transport Police on board these trains and prosecuting those people who show nothing but contempt for rules and regulations?
It's not fair on the vast majority of people who comply with the regulations in force

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54755420

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Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
« Reply #355 on: November 01, 2020, 10:50:10 am »
You are right Hugo whole thing is a mess and no one is enforcing the regulations.

Last Wednesday when we came back from Oban we managed to catch the 1230 ferry. Because we were booked on a later ferry we went into the standby lane at the ferry terminal. In the next Lane was 6 campervans waiting to board.
For heavens sake why are these people still coming up here,  and what area in Tier 3 have they come from ?

We have done well on the island so far with only one case in the spring, but I have heard this morning that we now have several confirmed  cases.

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« Reply #356 on: November 01, 2020, 12:13:22 pm »
I saw on the internet that Scotland is thinking of closing it's border with England and that's a good sensible thing to do.      I hope that the First Minister takes a firm stand with the border and prosecutes anyone who breaks the rules.      The time has gone when you could try to educate the rule breakers as these rule breakers know the score.
It's not rocket science when you want to control the people from Wales going on the North Wales train to Chester and beyond.   All that is needed is one transport Police Officer and they could enforce the rules.   If this was done then the message would get around quickly on social media
It's then up to the North Wales Police to monitor the road traffic to and from England
I'm sorry to hear about those confirmed Covid cases on  the island,  you should be protected from the idiots coming in.     Are they coming to their second homes like they are doing in Wales?

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Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
« Reply #357 on: November 01, 2020, 04:07:59 pm »
Movement restrictions must have a positive effect on the chances of virus transmission but Project Fear is turning people in to irrational conclusions as to  who is responsible for these transmissions. If some one makes a bolt for their second home in the knowledge they will be safer there who can blame them? Is someone living in England a bigger risk than someone from a South Wales "hot spot"? Home made banners hung on the borders of Wales telling people to keep out are a disgrace in my opinion. What sort of message does that give to potential future tourists?
Individual acts such as the bloke who wanted to climb Snowdon when no one else was there, or someone having a spin on a motorbike offer virtually no threat whatsoever but they shouldn't be doing what they are. Easy pickings to make examples of though.
No the real threats are those who gather in large groups, so large the chances that many of them will be carrying the virus and thus transmitting it to others are very high indeed and yet they are basically immune from prosecution because of the numbers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-54769055
700 people and 2 are in custody and that was probably for violent conduct.
You can understand the police are virtually powerless to do anything about it and it demonstrates that at the end of the day lockdowns will not prevent people with this mindset from carrying on regardless. It's happening all over the country on a regular basis.
Meantime the majority of us toe the line and accept that we can't buy a book or replace a needed non essential item for several weeks.We can't visit friends and neighbours even to talk to them in the garden. We are almost encouraged to report these examples of wild rule transgression when the real threats to our safety get away without so much as the need to apologise.
This virus is doing harm in more ways than we imagine. Our health is just one of them.

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Re: Covid restrictions enforcement
« Reply #358 on: November 01, 2020, 06:11:25 pm »
They should not be making a bolt for their 2nd homes ,  anywhere.
 It does not take many extra people to overwhelm hospitals in holiday areas. On Mull we have an excellent small hospital but it has few beds. the next option is Oban and that has limited facilities. After that it is Glasgow, 100+ miles away.
The situation is the same in North Wales and these idiots can not see they risk overwhelming the local NHS.

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« Reply #359 on: November 01, 2020, 06:39:44 pm »
Dave,  you are correct in a lot of what you have said but rules are there for a purpose and you can't Cherry pick which rules you want to follow and which ones you don't.
It's not a trivial matter because the Project Fear that you have described is real to those people who have to self isolate but not to those people who flout the law with their chances of passing on the virus.
People who live in England have been told quite clearly that they must not go to their second homes in Wales and that applies to the people living in Wales that they must not cross the border into England.    Don't the people from England understand that the NHS in those rural communities in Wales have resources allocated to the number of people permanently living there and that any additional pressure on them can have a direct affect on the health of everyone
Also we have seen individuals arriving in the Snowdonia area when the mountains have been off limits to the locals. let alone those from over the border so in doing what they have done they have broken at least two laws.
The other example of someone having a spin on their motorbike and posing virtually no threat whatsoever is silly, what if they have a crash and affect the already stretched resources?        Easy pickings?  then that's good for the Police because they really have more important things to do with their time than look out for those irresponsible chancers.       Perhaps a large fine in Court may bring them to their senses       $good$