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Offline SDQ

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« Reply #345 on: June 13, 2011, 01:43:27 pm »
There are over 30 trains a day serving Llandudno from the Junction during the week, rising to about 35 on a Saturday so I don't think it's that badly connected to be honest.
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« Reply #346 on: June 13, 2011, 01:46:54 pm »
I tend to avoid Llandudno Station for the same reasons. It's certainly not a safe or comfortable place to wait for a train, and that is what the improvements are all about, of course. Not being on the main line is a tremendous disadvantage in terms of frequency of services but that is unlikely to improve, sadly. Take this afternoon, for example, there are no trains leaving Llandudno between 15.08 and 16.06, that's quite a gap.


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« Reply #347 on: June 13, 2011, 04:58:54 pm »
It's not much fun hanging around the Junction station at night either, Dave.

SDJ, I stand corrected.  I see that on weekdays there are trains to the Junction roughly every half an hour during the day, apart from the odd gaps as Dave has pointed out.  It shows how important perception is.  If the trains don't actually connect very well with those at the Junction, a 20 - 30 minute wait at the beginning or end of 4 - 5 hour journey can seem a long time when one is only 8 minutes away from home.  At the times that I return to the Junction the trains are getting more infrequent and the potential wait longer: 19.50, 20.30, 21.32, 6.13! 

I don't know how many passengers it takes to justify a one-carriage train shuttling up and down the line but I'd still like to see more trains. 

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« Reply #348 on: June 13, 2011, 08:22:33 pm »
  :( Large parts of Llandudno are nearer to Colwyn bay station than Llandudno[Penrhyn Bay ,Penrhynside] so our station has no chance of catering for all local needs but as a link to the rest of Britain we need.Bangor caters for Caernarfon,parts of Angelsey,Bethesda so the footfall is massive.

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« Reply #349 on: June 13, 2011, 08:48:17 pm »
I'll stick with the car, much easier, more convenient and cheaper too!  ^*^0
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« Reply #350 on: June 13, 2011, 08:59:48 pm »
 :) I agree Merddin,but just because i don;t use the train don;t mean i have to put up with that eyesore,Cardiff owe Llandudno some development and i suggest they start with giving the go ahead for this. D)

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« Reply #351 on: June 13, 2011, 10:21:26 pm »
Oh I want the station doing, ideally I'd like to see it restored to it's former glory (can't see it happening though!). Although I love preserved railways and the odd pleasure ride on modern railways I'll always choose cars over public transport for my journeys
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Re: Local Eyesores
« Reply #352 on: June 24, 2011, 07:04:07 pm »
 Here is my top ten,but what order would you put them
1 Railway Station
2 Tudno Castle
3 Pier Pavilion
4 Clarence Hotel
5 Augusta holiday apartments
6 Deganwy Ave flats
7 Mostyn st
8 Pen Morfa
9 Cycle track at black rocks
10 xmas lights  :P
Maybe the Castle should be top but just go into the station and see what welcomes you ZXZ

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« Reply #353 on: June 24, 2011, 07:50:23 pm »
I would say, top three...

1, Pier Pavilion
2, Clarence Hotel
3, Tudno Castle...

But everyone is different...
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« Reply #354 on: June 24, 2011, 08:44:41 pm »
Fester. Surely this should be bottom three. You car'nt have a negative top

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« Reply #355 on: June 25, 2011, 07:35:25 am »
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Fester. Surely this should be bottom three. You car'nt have a negative top


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Re: Local Eyesores
« Reply #356 on: June 28, 2011, 12:51:46 pm »
Update on the Rhos Harbour Bistro site:


In November 2010, as a result of Court action by our solicitors, CDS
recovered control of the Rhos Harbour Bistro. Subsequent visual
inspection of the building and associated services concluded that the
building was not in a fit state to let and that a structural and ground
condition survey was required to inform an options appraisal. The results
of the subsequent survey results have guided officers to consider three
possible options.   

BACKGROUND INFORMATION
The buildings on Rhos Point have all been subject to fully repairing leases
and therefore maintenance has been the responsibility of the tenants.
However, with the recovery of Rhos Bistro and subsequent survey work it
is evident the useful life of the structures may be in sight and an
opportunity to consider a regeneration project for Rhos on Sea is timely.
The attached list of remedial works identified by consulting structural
engineers Evans Wolfenden gives a simple breakdown of essential items
to be addressed.

The implementation of the Colwyn Bay waterfront project has raised the
profile of our seaboard infrastructure and therefore improvements to Rhos
on Sea would compliment the planned promenade upgrade which
effectively terminate adjacent to the Cayley on the Rhos sea front.
In recent months the Harbour Office have commissioned a design
exercise specifically looking at the feasibility of creating a more formal
harbour area by building on the existing sea defences. This initiative,
when combined with proposals to re-build the Rhos Point area, raises the
potential for a wider regeneration initiative albeit with associated bigger
budget requirements.

The options for consideration are:

(a) Refurbishment: 
The Bistro remains a business opportunity with high potential to attract a
quality tenant, most likely, continuing to operate as a catering
establishment. However, any lease offer would be dependant on
refurbishment and would therefore require capital investment subject to a
robust business case offering acceptable financial projections.
Initial estimates for refurbishment  of the Bistro building (excluding
mechanical and electrical main services upgrade which, as a rule of
thumb, represent approximately 30% of a refurbishment budget) is
£85,000.

Rhos Point has three kiosks and a Tower which are let for concessions
which are also in need of refurbishment. For the purposes of an options
appraisal consideration is given to a complete Rhos Point refurbishment
(including cosmetic improvements to the seaward retaining wall). This
inclusive work is estimated at £158,500 [not including any provisional
sums e.g. asbestos removal] therefore a working budget of £250,000 -
£300,000 for the Rhos Point site would not be unreasonable. Refurbishment offers a relatively quick solution to restoring the status quo
as we have a substantial waiting list of willing tenants wishing to operate a
catering facility in Rhos. However, crucial to adopting a refurbishment
option is a detailed financial residual appraisal to establish, in simple
terms, whether money invested in refurbishment can be justified when
taking into account the property valuation against rental forecasts. CDS
have instructed our Asset Manager to provide an analysis of the potential
rental income and final asset valuation of the proposed refurbishment
option.

(b) New Build
In isolation, Rhos Bistro would not be a viable new build project. However,
a wider proposal to regenerate the Rhos Point area to include the
waterfront, park, adjacent highway infrastructure and car parking is a
consideration. An initial ‘concept’ visualises a two storey building on the
Point accommodating a restaurant and retail units (replacing the existing
concessions). The Park would be improved including high quality toilet
facilities. The highway infrastructure would be reconfigured to alleviate the
current ‘pinch’ points and improve local parking. No budget has yet been
estimated however it is envisaged the scheme would require a
private/public partnership arrangement initiated by seeking commercial
‘expressions of interest’.

(b) Demolition
This option is proposed as an ‘interim’ scheme designed to visually
improve the site whilst development options are under consideration. The
buildings would be removed, the immediate area landscaped to provide a
local amenity. The advantage of this proposal is limited to a quick solution
whilst more long term options are developed. An indicative budget for this
option is estimated at £50,000.

Council reports:
http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/published/c00000452/m00002879/ai00029499/$rhospointdevelopmentoptionscommunityscrutiny.doc.pdf
http://modgoveng.conwy.gov.uk/Published/C00000452/M00002879/AI00029499/Wolfendenestimatedcosts.pdf

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Re: Local Eyesores
« Reply #357 on: June 28, 2011, 10:33:07 pm »

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Update on the Rhos Harbour Bistro site:


I think there may be another option_____ A new Lifeboat station! Llandudno don't want it, so let us have it in the Bay of Colwyn! This would be ideal with the Waterfront facilities encouraging the use of the Bay. Lifeboat stations have to be a certain distance apart, and with there being one in Rhyl, this would just about be on the borderline, but with more use of the Bay this could possibly be justified, and there would still be easy access to Conwy, Pen and Llanfair. A long jetty would be needed to get past the rocks, but what a brilliant tourist attraction for Rhos! If you agree please lobby the RNLI !






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Re: Local Eyesores
« Reply #358 on: June 29, 2011, 12:37:23 am »
Nothing wrong with the lifeboat station idea, it is entirely logical given the new waterfront and sports development.

However, if it could remain a private business, then it is potentially an extremely lucrative one.
Dave R and I took a very close look into acquiring this site, (In part or perhaps all of Rhos Point) ..
Following a meeting with CCBC, we were put in a ''queue'' if you like, along with others who had interesting private business ideas for that site.
We were assured that we would be contacted to present our proposals when the lease was available.

That time has long past, and we were not given the courtesy of any reply from CCBC.

I maintain that the Rhos Point site is NOT in the poor condition stated in the report, and if it was, it would not cost anything like those sums to repair.

Something does not add up, and CCBC are becoming a real hinderance to business development and employment in this area.
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Re: Local Eyesores
« Reply #359 on: June 29, 2011, 06:20:51 pm »
A Lease won't be available until CCBC decide which option to go for. I note that the option 'sell off the site and save the taxpapers a lot of money' wasn't included?