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mull:
Good morning Helig and Hugo.

About 1980 my father tried to trace his mothers family but being before the computer age he could not get very far. Can you help please ?

His mother was Catherine Jane Williams born 25 October 1883, Seaview Terrace, Conwy.
He had the marriage certificate of Robert Williams to Sarah Ellen Evans in Carmel Chapel,Conwy, 17 June 1880.
There is a note that both Robert and Sarah were born in 1855. He must have had a view of the1861 census but the details are incomplete.
Llangelynin ( address ot shown) Robert
                                               Edward
                                               Lydia
Llangernyw ( address not shown ) Sarah Ellen.

Would the census give the address  or are the locations very small.

rhuddlan:
I guess this is open for anyone to reply?
So i had a quick look on family search and found this. Often there are transcription
 errors
but it looks a possibiliity.... I don't subscribe to pay sites like Ancestry, FMP anymore, but you would need to see the original to confirm .
Keep scrolling down!
Sarah Ellin Evans
England and Wales Census, 1861





Name:   Sarah Ellin Evans
County:   Denbighshire
Event Type:   Census
Event Date:   1861
Event Place:   Llangerniew, Denbighshire, Wales
Ecclesiastical Parish:   St Asaph
Registration District:   Llanrwst
Residence Note:   Gerddi Gleision
Gender:   Female
Age:   6
Relationship to Head of Household:   Granddaughter
Birth Year (Estimated):   1855
Birthplace:   Liverpool,
Page Number:   2
Registration Number:   RG09
Piece/Folio:   4305 / 39
Affiliate Record Type:   Household
Household   Role   Sex   Age   Birthplace
Evan Evans   Head   Male   63   Llangerniew, Denbighshire
Ellin Evans   Wife   Female   63   Bettws, Denbighshire
Sarah Ellin Evans   Granddaughter   Female   6   Liverpool,
Margret Jones   Granddaughter   Female   2   Llangerniew, Denbighshire

Helig:
Hello Mull,

I have found Sarah Ellin Evans in the 1861 census and it is the same one as Rhuddlan has given before.

The place they were living is shown as the Township of Rhan Hir and Llangerniew. The address isn't given as such, just house names all through the page. Their house name appears to be Gerddi Gleision. The second word isn't very clear at all. The household consists of the following;

Evan Evans, Head, age 63, married, Labourer 5 acres, born Denbighshire, Llangerniew.
Ellin Evans, wife, age 63, born Denbighshire, Bettws.
Sarah Ellin Evans, granddaughter, age 6, born Liverpool.
Margaret Jones, granddaughter, age 2, born Denbighshire, Llangerniew.

The house next to them has another family by the name of Evans living in it. The next house along to that has a Jones family living there.

Do you still have the marriage certificate for Robert and Sarah? You could order it if not. The reference for this is: March quarter 1880, Conwy Registration District, Vol 11b Page 613.

There are a few Family Trees on Ancestyr for the family of Evan Evans. He is shown as being born in 1796 in Llangerniew. Marriage in 01/02/1823, Bettws yn Rhos, to Eleanor Davies. Details: Evan Evans of Llangerniew Bach Lab x son of William Evans deceased to Eleanor Davies x Spin of Bettws yn Rhos, daughter of David Davies of Frith Bach Bettws and Catherine his wife, formerly Hughes on 1 February 1823.

Evan Evans was buried on  4 April 1866 and is shown as of Gerddi Gleision in Llangerniew.

The 1851 census shows Evan Evans living in Gerddi Gleision, Llangerniew, age 54, with Elin, age 54, and a son David, age 23, born Llangerniew.

The tree on Ancestry shows that Evan Evans had the following children:

David Evans born 1828, baptised 13 April 1828, of Rhos y Gwyddel, Llangerniew.
Sarah Evans b1830, baptised 20 June 1830, of Rhos y Gwyddel, Llangerniew.
Elizabeth Evans b1833, baptised 24 February 1833, of Rhos y Gwyddel, Llangerniew.
Grace Evans b1835, baptised 10 May 1835, of Rhos y Gwyddel.
Ellis Evans b1837. Baptised 6 August 1837 of Rhos y Gwyddel.

Sarah Ellin Evans must descend from one of the two sons shown.

While the accuracy of trees on Ancestry cannot be guaranteed the information given appears to be based on sources given and can be taken as reasonably reliable.

Helig

Helig:
Eleanor/Ellinor/Elinor Davies is shown as baptised 27 August 1796 of Frith Bach, Bettws yn Rhos. Daughter of David Davies of Cilcen Township and Catherine his wife.

She survived her husband, Evan, and was living at Gerddi Gleision in the 1871 census. She is a widow and aged 75. It shows she had a small farm of 4 acres. Her granddaughter, Margaret Evans, age 12, is living with her and Margaret was born Llangerniew.

Helig

Hugo:
Wow Helig,  your computer must be red hot with all that info that you have been able to obtain today.   There is a lot of info obtained and a lot for Mull to digest up there on the island.
I'm like Rhuddlan and do not subscribe to any sites but the only thing I can add at this stage is regarding David Davies and Sarah Ellin Evans.
Firstly  the Cilcen township, could that actually be Cilcain in Flintshire?
Secondly regarding Sarah Ellin Evans,  in actual fact all five children could be Sarah's parents but in those dark days if a single girl got pregnant then they used to send them away until they had the child and then brought them back to live with the family.     So Elizabeth, Sarah or Grace were old enough to have children.
As Sarah Ellin Evans was born in 1855 there will be a birth certificate for her and that should show the mother's name and possibly the father's too

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