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Offline Hugo

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« Reply #930 on: March 08, 2019, 06:11:12 pm »
Cambrian,  that photo was taken from the top of a high sand dune and to the left of it as  I remember was a large hollow between the dunes and the Pill box was at the bottom of it.   I think that it was destroyed, probably at the same time as those around the gunsite were

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« Reply #931 on: March 08, 2019, 07:38:57 pm »
Could well be Hugo.  I do recall it was in a sort of dip. It features in the book "Jampot Smith" a wartime novel of a young guy growing up in Llandudno.


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« Reply #932 on: March 09, 2019, 04:27:07 pm »
I drove down the West Shore and the along part of Abbey Road and I can honestly say that I have never seen the sand problem there as bad as it was today.
Added to that if the BBC weather forecast is correct that area can face strong westerly winds some over 50 mph until 5.00 pm on Wednesday so the situation will only get worse
If I can see how the situation has arisen why can't the Councillors representing the West Shore?    There must be some forum members who live in the affected areas so it would be interesting to get their point of view on this matter

Now just in case there are any cynics out there that say that you should expect that when you live by the seaside, here is a photo I've just come across of  "Girls in Alice costume at the Lewis Carroll Memorial on Llandudno's West Shore in 1988"
That was only about 5 years before the idiots built the second sea defence in the 1990's

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« Reply #933 on: March 09, 2019, 06:39:27 pm »
Our windows are semi-opaque with blown sand, you know where I live Hugo and it is not in the nearest vicinity of West Shore, but near enough ! When it is windy and wet we can't see through them.
One of the local councillors actually lives in West Parade and I noticed yesterday that he had put boards up at the bottom of his front gate, presumably to stop the sand getting into his garden.
A couple of years back the sand was so bad outside The Clontarf hotel that there was literally a dune across the road.















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« Reply #934 on: March 09, 2019, 07:24:23 pm »
Hugo I was daft enough to take the dog today just after midday peg stayed in the car, where is the sand in that pic 🤔 Oh yes that was before our council messed about, as you say I've Never seen it so bad, when I got back to the car it had loads of sand stuck to it,  it just shows how daft our councilors are he puts a board against his gate 🤔 Doesn't he realise that sand will blow over that board. The amount of Our money that gets wasted every year because of some idiots 😡

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« Reply #935 on: March 09, 2019, 11:18:00 pm »
The sand doesn't affect my property, simply because I don't live in the town but it does affect hundreds of properties in that area.  It also affects the daily life of the people there and also affects the tourism trade too.
No one can walk on that part of the West Shore when the wind is blowing and it could all have been avoided if the Councillors at the time didn't behave like nodding donkeys when it came to the vote on the sea defence.
I've seen your photos Nemesis of that ceiling that came down because of the sand and you live such a long way from the shore.   Just imagine then what it is like for those that live on the West Parade,  they can't open the windows because of the sand which damages their property and gets into the attic as well
That's the visible effects of the sand but it's also the unseen bits that concern me such as the drains,  that part of Llandudno is flat so how will Llandudno cope when the next flood comes and it was rain that caused the last floods not the sea

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« Reply #936 on: March 10, 2019, 08:10:39 am »
i wonder how the residents opposite cope,as we know the stones are put in place so the tide runs up and unfortunatley so does the sand.

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« Reply #937 on: March 10, 2019, 08:57:13 am »
I'm trying to remember that far back, but when the original proposals, based on tidal surveys, were put to the Council I seem to remember that the purpose of the Groynes was to create a raised sand bed which would itself reduce the danger of flooding. It seems to have accomplished the former, anyway.

I have copies of the original report somewhere, and I also remember the basis of their proposals was the projected sea level rise over some years. A lot of Llandudno is somewhat vulnerable to any rise, really, and the groynes were by far the cheapest and most attractive option.  I suspect what they need now is a fluid dynamics specialist to advise on sand containment.
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« Reply #938 on: March 10, 2019, 09:07:13 am »
Hugo I was daft enough to take the dog today just after midday peg stayed in the car, where is the sand in that pic 🤔 Oh yes that was before our council messed about, as you say I've Never seen it so bad, when I got back to the car it had loads of sand stuck to it,  it just shows how daft our councilors are he puts a board against his gate 🤔 Doesn't he realise that sand will blow over that board. The amount of Our money that gets wasted every year because of some idiots 😡

Well said Norman and thinking that the council is this year giving Wales Rally GB £100,000 ( from FOA ) and that is not counting what is being given by the W A G it strikes me that money is going to the wrong things !
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« Reply #939 on: March 10, 2019, 09:33:54 am »
I couldn't help looking up a review of the book "jampot smith " referred to above. It would be nice to read a slightly more recent and maybe racier story about being an amorous  teenager in the  Llandudno area in the 60's  .Perhaps that something for Hugo to relate to us! :)

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« Reply #940 on: March 10, 2019, 09:43:55 am »
 Quote by Nemesis: "... thinking that the council is this year giving Wales Rally GB £100,000 ( from FOA ) and that is not counting what is being given by the WAG it strikes me that money is going to the wrong things !"

I suspect you'll find that the event is worth far more than £100k in terms of business into the town, especially the hotel trade at a slack time, by way of the people visiting for that event and the publicity showing Llandudno all round the world.

The recent Cambrian was supported by the Council and a survey carried out to assess the spends, which will be far greater than the financial support given to the event.  Llandudno received massive publicity in the press, TV all round the world, a total of over one million hits were recorded on social media.

... the problem, to my way of thinking, is that the money spent on events comes out of the Council funds (such as from council taxes) but the income goes to businesses and not to cover running costs of the town (such as sorting out the sand) ... I should just say that is my personal opinion, and not that of any organisation I am linked with.

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« Reply #941 on: March 10, 2019, 11:31:35 am »
I don't think that we need is a new fluid dynamics specialist to advise on sand containment, just look at what the last consultants did on the West Shore.
The original sea defence was built in 1952 and on the landward side of the sea wall is a flood barrier built in 1936.   The original excuse given to me by the CCBC was that the steps were being undermined because of a lack of sand.  So what do they do?      Import sand and raise the level of the beach by 10 feet and build groynes that are attached to the land.
So what they have done is restrict the normally current of the sea and this has increased the level of the sand, so the beach is continually getting higher with the result that the sand is blowing over faster than it has ever done.
They have also built a fixed groyne at the Black Rocks area where prior to that there was a natural rock barrier that filtered and slowed the flow of the sea so it didn't have any impact on places upstream on the Conwy River.      One of our forum members reported on the shrinking beach levels by the Deganwy promenade so that must be attributed to the fixed groyne at the Black Rocks
Now if the previous consultants and CCBC haven't caused enough damage to the West Shore the CCBC has made the situation much worse.       
For at least 20 years any sand blown over from the beach has been returned back to the beach but deposited above the high water mark.  Consequently that top sand is dry and lighter and blows over the wall quicker than before.     Apparently they need a licence from DEFRA to deposit the sand below the high water mark but I've noticed that since I've sent e-mails to them they have deposited the sand further down the beach but it's too late, the damage has already been done

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« Reply #942 on: March 10, 2019, 09:57:14 pm »
Llandudno received massive publicity in the press, TV all round the world, a total of over one million hits were recorded on social media.

Just received the official report on the media coverage and the number of hits on social media was way over 10 (ten) million, with 1.6 million individuals logging in!

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« Reply #943 on: March 11, 2019, 08:48:13 am »
Quote by Nemesis: "... thinking that the council is this year giving Wales Rally GB £100,000 ( from FOA ) and that is not counting what is being given by the WAG it strikes me that money is going to the wrong things !"

I suspect you'll find that the event is worth far more than £100k in terms of business into the town, especially the hotel trade at a slack time, by way of the people visiting for that event and the publicity showing Llandudno all round the world.

The recent Cambrian was supported by the Council and a survey carried out to assess the spends, which will be far greater than the financial support given to the event.  Llandudno received massive publicity in the press, TV all round the world, a total of over one million hits were recorded on social media.

... the problem, to my way of thinking, is that the money spent on events comes out of the Council funds (such as from council taxes) but the income goes to businesses and not to cover running costs of the town (such as sorting out the sand) ... I should just say that is my personal opinion, and not that of any organisation I am linked with.
How much!!!!!!!
Is there no end to the money Events Conwy can spend. I believe the next one is a £100,000 plus
for a light show

Much as I like motor sport, CBCC can't afford to support Wales Rally GB

It's about time Cllr Sam Rowlands stopped supporting Events Conwy while
agreeing  to massive rate rises. If the hotels/cafes make money out of these events
they should help fund them instead of the local rate payers. All I hear are moans about
closing roads and altered bus services. The vast majority of CBCC have no interest in these events.

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« Reply #944 on: March 12, 2019, 10:16:54 am »
Could well be Hugo.  I do recall it was in a sort of dip. It features in the book "Jampot Smith" a wartime novel of a young guy growing up in Llandudno.
I have a copy of that book, very enjoyable read. I also enjoyed Errant Target by Cyril Joyce, a thriller set in Llandudno.