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Jeff

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Re: Robert Roberts born 1893 Llandudno
« Reply #120 on: August 24, 2018, 01:57:52 PM »
first part

Jeff

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Re: Robert Roberts born 1893 Llandudno
« Reply #121 on: August 24, 2018, 02:00:35 PM »
 Second part, it will not let me send a complete form
 This statement was in your post couple of days ago------"Robert appears on the 1911 Census as living at Oakamore  Colwyn Bay"

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« Reply #122 on: August 24, 2018, 03:07:20 PM »
Thanks for posting that 1911 Census again but the Robert W Roberts listed on the form shows the address as Caeforys   Eglwysbach but what I was hoping that you would post was the 1911 Census for Robert Roberts living at Oakamoor in Colwyn Bay.
If I've read Rhuddlan's link correctly  Oakamoor in Colwyn Bay closed in 1906 so therefore there shouldn't be a Census for the home in 1911 as it had been closed for 5 years.
Would you please clarify whether you have found a 1911 Census for Oakamoor or not?

 

Jeff

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Re: Robert Roberts born 1893 Llandudno
« Reply #123 on: August 24, 2018, 11:36:30 PM »
Sorry hope this is the one

Jeff

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« Reply #124 on: August 24, 2018, 11:38:29 PM »
There are two boys on the 1911 census that are not sons of the house hold

Jeff

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« Reply #125 on: August 25, 2018, 02:21:56 AM »
Found this in the local paper dated 2 Jan;  1903 may be of interest

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« Reply #126 on: August 25, 2018, 11:09:11 AM »
Thanks for posting those 3 items on here.    The first photo titled school is not the 1911 Census for Oakamoor and I don't expected there to be one either as the school closed in 1906
It is in a terrace of cottages situated on the Great Orme Llandudno and Tyn Y Coed Road is between Penyffridd and Wyddfyd.    The Robert Roberts shown on it does have the correct age and place of birth but that could be just a coincidence seeing that there are two other nephews living there with the surname Roberts
What does surprise me is that he is 18 and still in school, at that age most children would have left school unless they stayed on for further education which could fit in with what you have been told about him being a Don but that is just pure speculation on my part as there is no evidence to support that.

At the moment Jeff I'm stumped unless you have any evidence of Hugh Roberts having family on the Great Orme



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« Reply #127 on: August 25, 2018, 11:14:31 AM »
I'm posting this just to give you some information about Anglesey Villa and William James Roberts


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« Reply #128 on: August 25, 2018, 01:38:30 PM »
Jeff,  if you read about Wlliam James Roberts the nephew who died in the First World War you can see that his family lived in Pen y Ffridd on the Great Orme.
Now Ethel was staying somewhere in Pen Y Ffridd in 1896 but who would she be staying with other than a relative, perhaps they are related in some way?       Food for thought?

Jeff

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« Reply #129 on: August 25, 2018, 11:39:29 PM »
 Thank's Hugo
  What is the great Orme? a collection of towns or villages so I know want I am looking for,

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« Reply #130 on: August 26, 2018, 12:46:16 AM »
Jeff. the Great Orme is the headland you see when you look at Llandudno and in Welsh it is called Y Gogarth.     Up to about 1850  the village of Llandudno was based on the slopes of the great Orme but after that date it rapidly expanded and became the town that we know today.
The town of Llandudno was split into two parishes Llandudno and Eglwysrhos and then became Llandudno cum Eglwysrhos and the Parishes have changed names over the years,
You can often see words and names spelt differently but don't worry about that as these things happen quite a lot so don't put too much emphasis on the spelling of names

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« Reply #131 on: August 26, 2018, 11:24:47 AM »
This is a photo that I took from the Little Orme some time ago.     In 1851 the small village of Llandudno had a population of 1,131 and the people mainly lived on the headland which is called the Great Orme.
After that time the town rapidly developed on the flat land between the two Ormes

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« Reply #132 on: September 09, 2018, 01:35:01 PM »
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There is no probate on him
Robert William Roberts
Birth   
02/10/1889
Death   
12/1974 Carnarvon Caernarvonshire Wales

Jeff,  I was reading through the posts again and reread the above posting.    This was in response to my posting before:-
"I've just gone through the Death records of Roots UK for all the Robert William Roberts who have died in the last century and there is only one match for a Robert William Roberts born in 1892
That Robert William Roberts died in the September quarter of 1974
 
Now your reply cannot relate to the same person as you have his birth in 1889  and death in the quarter December 1974      so the year of birth and date of death are different.
I'll just check that out in the Archives next time I go there

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« Reply #133 on: September 09, 2018, 02:25:15 PM »
I've cross checked it since and it doesn't match up to your Robert.      The Robert William Roberts who died in the September quarter of 1974 had his death registered in Petersfield but his birth was given as the 13th September 1892
Sorry about that Jeff

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« Reply #134 on: September 20, 2018, 08:24:59 AM »
Jeff, since 1969 the Death Register shows the date of birth for each person which is a good help.  However in all the Death Registers I have looked at there is no Robert Roberts or any variation of that name with the birth 26th Oct 1892 after 1969.
I then had a look at the Death Registers for 1949 to 1969 and there was over 400 recorded but only 13 of those were born in 1892.
Of the 13 who died only one had the death registered in the Conwy District and I know for a fact that he was not your relative.
So all the others had the death registered out of this area.

3 were registered in England and the other 10 were registered in various parts of North Wales.     One English one was interesting but only because of your very first post and that is the death of a Robert Roberts, born 1892 and died in 1958.   His death was registered in the 4th quarter ( Dec) of 1958 at Durham in South Shields
It would be ironic if after all your searching Robert was the one you were looking for and he lived in the same town as your Nain Ethel.

It has happened before and another forum member, also from Tasmania was looking for a relative from Llandudno and when I found the person he had lived in the same street as Jelly Baby the forum member