Thanks everybody. Sorry downunder while the John you found was living in Berry Street in 1861 I think the one I'm looking for was living in High Street around the corner but his name on the census is John Owen. Later on when you go through the census he is John Roberts. The one you found is the one I have a birth cert for and as he was born in Conway Castle Inn,which I believe is no.3 Berry, I thought I had the correct one as the widow of the one I'm looking for later came to live at no 3 but not until after 1911 and it stayed in the family for many years. When I look for Evan and Alfred Roberts I come up with the one in the High Street. I have them on all the census and their marriages but cannot find John or Evan's births. He is 24 on his marriage cert. Hugo. Yes it is the same tree Meleri. John Melville's father and my grandfather William Owen Roberts are brothers. As far as I know their grandfather is buried in St.Mary's with other members of the family and it is their graves I am trying to find. Thank you again
Hi Emma,
I found the 1861 Census record you referred to which shows the following:
First Surname Relnshp Marit Sex Age YOB Occ Birth PlaceName Status
John Roberts Head Widower Male 35 1826 Sawyer Caernarvonshire, Wales
Trevor Roberts Son Male 12 1849 Scholar Caernarvonshire, Wales
Mary Roberts Daught Female 9 1852 Scholar Caernarvonshire, Wales
Alfred Roberts Son Male 7 1854 Scholar Caernarvonshire, Wales
Eleanor Owen Servant Unmarried Female 29 1832 Gen Serv Caernarvonshire, Wales
Sarah Owen Daught Female 9 1852 Scholar Caernarvonshire, Wales
Thomas Owen Son Male 3 1858 Caernarvonshire, Wales
John Owen Son Male 0 1861 Caernarvonshire, Wales
Evan Evans Lodger Unmarried Male 16 1845 Mariner Caernarvonshire, Wales
This would indicate, in 1861, that John Owen was the son of Eleanor Owen who was unmarried at that point in time. The question is, did the label of "Unmarried" indicate that Eleanor was never married or that she was divorced. The fact that she was (in 1861) a Servant of John Roberts does not prove that John Roberts was the father of John Owen. What happened subsequently to any relationship between Eleanor Owen and John Roberts does not necessarily indicate that John Roberts was the father of John Owen.
Have you explored the births of Eleanor's other children ( Sarah and Thomas)?