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Offline Vermilion

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Llangystennin Hall
« on: September 14, 2017, 10:31:43 am »
Hello!

My husband's grandfather was born in Llangystennin Hall in 1906.  That's what it says on his birth certificate.  However, I'm a bit confused because the story was that she was a domestic servant there and her mother was the housekeeper but in the 1901 and 1911 census returns, Llangystennin Hall seems to be just an ordinary house with just a few people living there, quarry men and farmers and not the type of people you would think would be able to afford a domestic and a housekeeper.

Was there an actual 'hall'?  If there was, where was it?  A Google search leads me to believe there might have been an actual hall but that it might be somewhere in the Bryn Pydew area.

I'm hoping to be able to find out who the owner was in 1905/6.

Any help gratefully received.
Thank you

Offline DaveR

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Re: Llangystennin Hall
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2017, 10:57:10 am »
Llangystennin Hall is still there, a fairly large house in nice gardens on the Mochdre side of Bryn Pydew.

Here's an aerial view of it in Google Maps:
https://goo.gl/maps/DkyuFFnGBG72


Offline Vermilion

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Re: Llangystennin Hall
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2017, 10:59:02 am »
Thank you!

So do you know what I would search for to find it in the 1901 and 1911 census?

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Re: Llangystennin Hall
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2017, 11:09:06 am »
Is it likely that the following people would have been the only ones living in such a large house in 1901 and 1911?

I'm a bit mystified..

1901
William John DAVIES  (head) Age 23 Carter/Groom Born Denbigh Llansannan
Miriam DAVIES (wife) Age 23 Born Denbigh Saron
Peter DAVIES (son) Age 3 months Born Llangystenin
Harriet DAVIES (sister) Age 13 Born Denbigh Llansannan
Robert P ROBERTS (lodger) Age 54 Lodger Farm Labourer Denbigh Llandullo y Rhos
Ellen J ROBERTS (lodger) Age 37  Born Denbigh Glan Conwy
John ROBERTS (lodger) Age 9 Born  Denbigh Llandullo yn Rhos
Robert O ROBERTS (lodger) Age 2 Born Denbigh Llandullo yn Rhos
Elizabeth DAVIES (daughter) Age 1 Born Llangystennin
Ellen HUGHES (head) Age 65 Born Llangystennin

1911
Owen  EVANS (head) Age 47 Limestone Quarryman Born Llangemiew Denbighshire (married 19 years)
Mary EVANS (wife) Age 45 Born ditto
Llewelyn EVANS (son) Age 20 Limestone Quarryman Born ditto
Griffith EVANS (son) Age 17 Limestone Quarryman Born ditto
Nellie EVANS (daughter) Age 18 Born Llangystennin

Offline Bri Roberts

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Re: Llangystennin Hall
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2017, 11:15:55 am »
In 1911, your husband's grandfather was 4 or 5 years of age and is not living at the Hall so must be living elsewhere.

Try the address shown on the birth certificate.

Offline Vermilion

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Re: Llangystennin Hall
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2017, 11:17:21 am »
Yes. His mother was unmarried and living in Llandudno Junction.  The story is she worked at the hall the the implication was that the father (unknown) lived at the hall.

Offline Vermilion

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Re: Llangystennin Hall
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2017, 11:18:04 am »
The address on the birth certificate is "Llangystennin Hall"..

Offline Bri Roberts

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Re: Llangystennin Hall
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2017, 11:23:13 am »
If the father's name is not shown on the birth certificate then it maybe shown on the baptism records.

Part of the Open Doors Heritage Days, the records for the church opposite, St Cystennin's, will be on display in the church this Saturday from 10am.


Offline Vermilion

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Re: Llangystennin Hall
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2017, 11:25:57 am »
It's a bit more complicated than that.

This was a private adoption and the baby was baptised in Manchester by his adopted parents as if he were theirs.  There would have been no local baptism.

I think I've found who the mother was and my hope was a clue from the census records for the father.  My husband has done an Ancestry DNA test and we're waiting to see if that throws anything up.

Offline DaveR

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Re: Llangystennin Hall
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2017, 11:29:10 am »
It certainly is odd, in that the results for the Hall do not turn out as expected in the Census results. I found it in the 1911 census and it comes back with the same information as you found:

Offline Vermilion

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Re: Llangystennin Hall
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2017, 11:37:21 am »
I suppose 'the boss' might have been on holiday when the census was taken.

Offline Vermilion

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Re: Llangystennin Hall
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2017, 11:44:04 am »
Is there another was to find out who was in residence around 1906?

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Re: Llangystennin Hall
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2017, 12:38:49 pm »
and 1905?

Offline Vermilion

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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2017, 12:49:48 pm »

Offline Vermilion

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Re: Llangystennin Hall
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2017, 12:52:36 pm »
I found this in Wales Newspapers Online for 1908.

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3227477/3227483/16/

Although he would be a bit old, I think.  Still, you never know.