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Re: Grace Ellen Jones 1885-1961
« Reply #270 on: December 30, 2019, 08:44:53 AM »
I had taken some clearer photos of the headstone but lost them all when my computer went kaput.   I have made notes of the wording on the headstone which I think were in Welsh and English but will look for them after the New Year

When I find them I'll post them up on here but in the meantime I hope that you all have a happy Hogmanay up there on the island

Helig

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Re: Grace Ellen Jones 1885-1961
« Reply #271 on: December 30, 2019, 10:51:52 AM »
I have been trying to find information for the Pwllygwichiad post and came across a marriage in St Tudno on 18 October 1755. This was between Peirce Jones and Ellin Ellis. I wondered if it was connected to your Pierce Jones.

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« Reply #272 on: December 30, 2019, 11:53:34 AM »
That's a fascinating and interesting find Helig     I've been looking at some rough notes that I've made over time and it's pure speculation on my part but these are the notes I found:-

Grace Ellen b 188?
Pierce Jones b C1850
John & Elizabeth Jones Tan Y Wal      John  B  C1811           born either in Llangystennin or Llandudno
John & Ann  Jones  Pen Y Parc           John  B  C 1776         Miner born Llandudno

Now can your find of Pierce and Ellin's wedding in 1755 fit in with the birth of John in C 1776?  perhaps in time we might find a link at the Archives

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« Reply #273 on: January 07, 2020, 03:20:04 PM »
I went to the Baptist Cemetery at Glanwydden today and took another photo of the grave of John Jones  Tan Y Wal.       The inscription on the headstone is in Welsh but this is the translation:-
John Jones died September 24  1861 aged 50     Also  Elizabeth his wife who died on the 27th June 1895 aged 85

mull

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« Reply #274 on: January 07, 2020, 06:19:18 PM »
Hi Hugo,

Thank you for posting the photo.

I have just been looking the notes I made when in Llandudno archives on ownership of Tan Y Wal down the years.
Can only find the following and did not go back before 1884 unfortunately.

27 Nov 1884 Conveyance Major General Owen,Lewis.Cope Williams to Richard Hughes.

            1884Richard Hughes to Elias Davies

20 Dec 1888 Richard Hughes to R s Chamerlain & another ( would this be the Llandudno Solicitors ? )

14 Sept 1889  R S Chamberlain & Richard Jones to Mrs Emily Ansdell, 11 Esplanade Gardens, Scarborough then to Misses M E & M G Preece.

                     How this fits in ? 15 Oct 1908. Will shows R Hughes left all to his wife Ann thereafter her death to John and Hugh Hughes
                     No 1, 2 &3 Tan Y Wal , gardens,land, buildings and stable, bakehouse and pigsty.

20 Dec 1924 Reconveyance M E  & MG Preece to John & Hugh Hughes

23 Sept 1940 Mortgage 28 Aug 1940 Refuge Assurance, Manchester, Hugh Hughes/Elizabeth Hughes & Robert Thomas, Bodfach,Ffriddoedd
                     Road, Bangor, Retired Master Mariner. (486717 ).

14 Nov 1961 Hugh Hughes to Robert George Hill, Altringham.

Looking more likely there is a link from Llandudno ( John Jones, Miner )to Tan Y Wal.

Hope the info on Tan Y Wal helps the search. Would Major Cope ( 1884 ) be the agent for the Mostyn Estate ?

Hope you are all safe and not getting blown away. Been vert stormy here today.




Cambrian

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« Reply #275 on: January 07, 2020, 08:48:29 PM »
Mull

Major General Williams was the owner of a significant area to the east of Llandudno.  The Williams family auctioned the land in 1884.  They lived at a mansion called "Craig y Don" on Anglesey which name they bequeathed to Craig y Don in Llandudno. This may explain the "Anglesey connection". I remember seeing one of the sale catalogues many years ago - it may have been by an elderly man living at Tan y Wal.  The document was with his deeds. Unlike the Mostyns, the Williams family was content to sell the plots with their freeholds.

You are correct that R S Chamberlain was the solicitor practising in Trinity Square.

John Jones (b 1811) was believed to have been born in Llangwstennin.  He died in September 1861.  He had married (December 1842) Elizabeth Williams (b 1812 Caerhun) who was a farm servant at Penrhyn Farm,Llanrhos. (This info is in Ken Dibble's book).

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« Reply #276 on: February 16, 2020, 06:44:56 PM »
Hi Helig,

Have just sent you a PM from Preston, hope you have picked it up.

Mull

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Re: Grace Ellen Jones 1885-1961
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Helig

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« Reply #277 on: February 19, 2020, 11:07:47 AM »
Hello Mull,

No, that message hasn't appeared in my Inbox as yet. Can you send to my personal E-Mail? I think you had the address some time ago but I will resend it on a message via this site. I seem to have problems with the messaging system on this site.

Best wishes,

Helig

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« Reply #278 on: September 10, 2020, 10:48:37 AM »
Can someone help me on here ?

I have been trying to trace a wedding that I think took place in Denbigh in 1949. I have now got the number for the wedding but it is in the Conwy Registration District.

Have there been changes to the counties over the years   that would explain this ? I seem to remember as a boy that the Flintshire area came through the Golf course between Penrhyn Bay and Rhos on Sea.

Cambrian

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« Reply #279 on: September 10, 2020, 11:56:12 AM »
Mull,  some areas of the "old" Denbighshire are now within the County Borough of Conwy.  Very roughly it is the area between the River Clwyd and the River Conwy, eg Abergele, Colwyn Bay, Glan Conwy, Llanrwst and Cerrig y Drudion with a few smaller places such as Llangernyw, Llanfair Talhaiarn and Llansannan.

If you had a particular place the ceremony took place, I might be able to give a more definite answer.

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« Reply #280 on: September 11, 2020, 10:33:14 AM »
Mull,   it was Denbighshire that was on the other side of the Afon Ganol (Rhos on Sea side )  and Caernarfonshire on the other
I've had a look at British Newspapers on line to see if they cover the years around 1949, but the Denbigh Free Press which is the local paper where the marriage may be shown only appear to cover up to 1919.      Copies of the original papers may be in the Archives, but probably not in the Conwy Archives.  The Archives are closed at the moment anyway.

One thing that puzzled me and Cambrian who is an expert on Registration Districts may be able to explain it is if the marriage was in Denbigh why was the Registration District in Conwy?

I don't know exactly what you are searching for, is it just the confirmation of a marriage or more details about the ceremony etc?
I've attached a free link to searches on marriages etc and they may help in your search

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mull

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« Reply #281 on: September 11, 2020, 12:56:29 PM »
Thank you for the prompt replies.

Problem solved. I was looking for details on marriage of Ronald Thomas in Denbigh,1949. The information i had was that it had been registered in Conway District. This was incorrect.

Have now found it was in Ruthin Registration District, June quarter 1949.  I have the Reference number.

Cambrian

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Re: Grace Ellen Jones 1885-1961
« Reply #282 on: September 11, 2020, 05:01:33 PM »
Good, glad you have sorted that Mull.  Denbigh was in the Ruthin Registration District from 1935 to 1974.