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ckirkrph

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Re: Grace Ellen Jones 1885-1961
« Reply #240 on: May 16, 2019, 12:05:24 AM »
Hey. I hadn't gotten too deep but I believe her parents were John Calvert and Mary Jane Jones, younger sister to Richard Benjamin Jones. Could she be under Calvert?. Hope this is helpful. I will try to attach the pic I found of Doris to see if you think it is correct. Chad

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« Reply #241 on: May 16, 2019, 10:14:23 AM »
You have hit the jackpot with that, Chad.

That is Doris,she became a nurse and went to work at a hospital in Chester were she met her future husband Maurice. So my memory was correct that my mother had told me she was adopted, I had suspected it was within the family.

Thank you for coming up with this information. Were did you find the photo ?
 
Have you traced all Grace Ellen and Richards family? It must have taken some doing, being 10 of them. If you want any more photos just let me know I have a few but they are not in any order.

Look after yourself and thanks again from this side of the pond.

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ckirkrph

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« Reply #242 on: May 16, 2019, 05:58:33 PM »
Mull,
   Honestly I found the pic on an ancestry tree where they had written a brief statement about her being adopted. I just happened to remember when reading your post! I will try to look back and see if the person who had the pic is reachable.  I would love to add to your line etc. I was just this week actually able to see the original pics of the few pics that made it over to my side of the drink and they gave better information.  I know there had been a discussion about a Pierce Jones Jr who went by Percy and I found a pic of him. Okay, well please feel free to contact me here or at kirk18@cox.net my email if better for you. I would like to hear more about Grace Ellen and Richard Benjamin as he must have been a wonderful soul from all the good he did Fascinating to learn about any and all of the siblings etc. . Well, glad I could help. Funny, it all started with me trying to learn more about Annie Maria Jones and I have been able to learn so much about her siblings! Also previously I had posted a pic of who I was told was Percy, with his dog. Upon seeing the original on the back it says that was also Richard Benjamin.  I have attached a pic that says Percy is the gent without a cap. I never realized as a kid but they have their plastering tools in the pic solidifying they were apprentices under their dad Pierce. The other gent is unknown sadly.

ckirkrph

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Re: Grace Ellen Jones 1885-1961
« Reply #243 on: May 16, 2019, 06:22:11 PM »
Who is the lady with Richard Benjamin.  It was penciled on the back Grace Ellen. Can you verify please.

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« Reply #244 on: May 18, 2019, 11:04:06 AM »
Following the information from ckirkph, I have searched for the birth registration etc of Doris Calvert. This appears to be in Conwy Registration District in the December quarter of 1931. Birth of Doris Calvert, mother's maiden name Jones.

There are a few Family Trees for her on Ancestry as well. It appears that John Calvert and Mary Jane Jones had three children:

Gladys Jane Calvert, 1927-2017
Beryl Hilda Jones, 1929-2009
Doris Calvert, 1931-2009.

Gladys and Doris were born in Llandudno, Beryl was born in Conwy.

John Calvert and Mary Jane Jones married in the Welsh Congregational church in Llandudno in 1920.

I note that Mary Jane Calvert, nee Jones died in 1941. Her place of death is shown as 21 Brook St, Llandudno.

There is some variation in the Family Trees on Ancestry. One has Beryl Hilda Jones as Calvert. This tree shows John Calvert and Mary Jane having had 7 children.

I checked to see what name was used in the registration of Beryl's birth in 1929. This is confirmed as being registered Calvert.

Helig.

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« Reply #245 on: May 18, 2019, 11:14:35 AM »
I tried to find John Calvert and family in the 1939 register. There is a family living in either 20, or 21, Brook St, Llandudno and the entries are as follows:

Edna Calvert born 7 October 1926 , At school.
Vera Calvert born 23 May 1921, Shop assistant and ....
John Charles Calvert born 25 September 1925, Builder's Labourer.
Jane Calvert born 21 August 1892, Unpaid domestic duties.

There are 5 entries redacted above that of Edna.

Helig.

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« Reply #246 on: May 18, 2019, 11:20:52 AM »
FreeBMD has what appear to be the birth registrations for the children of John Calvert and Mary Jane Jones. These are as follows:

All registered in Conwy RD. Mother's maiden name of Jones.

1921- Vera E Calvert
1924- Glenys E Calvert
1927- Gladys J Calvert
1929- Hilda B Calvert
1931 Doris Calvert
1933 Enid M Calvert
1936- John C Calvert

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« Reply #247 on: May 18, 2019, 11:46:57 AM »
Chad,

Sorry for the delay replying but I was away on the mainland yesterday collecting my car after repairs. An expensive day.
I can confirm photo in your post is of Richard Benjamin and his wife Jane. I guess taken about the time of their marriage.


Helig,


Thank you for that information.

Makes sense now. Rhuddllan found out that Doris was not shown at Richard and Janes address in 1939. Her mother death in 1941 would explain that. Not sure if the address in Brookes Street is the same as Pierce Snr or nearby .


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« Reply #248 on: May 18, 2019, 03:07:30 PM »
Mull,

I've just looked at Brooke Street on Google and No 21 is the same cottage that we looked at.    It was called Severn Cottage in the past and that's where Pierce and family lived

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« Reply #249 on: May 24, 2019, 11:40:15 AM »
Just out of interest, John Charles Calvert, brother of Doris, died in Aberconwy RD in 2006. He was living in 63 Maes Derw, Llandudno Junction from 2002-2007. This was per the Electoral Roll. His wife is shown as Margaret Calvert.

There is a marriage which could be for him in Conwy in 1960. Then another marriage in 1994 in Aberconwy to a Margaret Nicholson. This one is for him alomst certainly.

Vera E Calvert married William A Sipthorpe in Ware RD in September 1946. She was living in 21 Brooke St, Llandudno in the 1939 Register.

Vera died in 1963 in Ware, Hertfordshire.

Helig

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« Reply #250 on: May 24, 2019, 12:39:17 PM »
As an aside, John Calvert joined British Railways in 1951 and worked his way up to become a driver.  He was the last Junction steam driver to work steam loco-hauled specials along the North Wales coast which he continued to do after retirement.

ckirkrph

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Re: Grace Ellen Jones 1885-1961
« Reply #251 on: May 30, 2019, 01:20:14 AM »
Hey thanks for the info! Mull! I have trying to find out what happened to these Jones siblings. Any idea what happened to Doris' biological mother?  Been also trying to track Elizabeth or Bessie Jones, another sister. She seems to have vanished too! Hoping if I can track down their info maybe I will ultimately find where Annie Maria ended up! Anyways! Glad I could help. Hope you all are well. Chad

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« Reply #252 on: May 31, 2019, 03:40:18 PM »
Hello Chad,

Re the birth mother of Doris Calvert, see the first post on this board dated 18 May 2019. Mary Jane Calvert, nee Jones, died in 1941. Her place of death was 21 Brooke St, Llandudno. It is likely that this was the reason for Doris being adopted. There were seven children altogether and no doubt it would have been difficult for John Calvert to manage after his wife's death.

Helig.

ckirkrph

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Re: Grace Ellen Jones 1885-1961
« Reply #253 on: June 06, 2019, 01:07:47 PM »
Thought you might be interested to see Doris next to her mother. I go back and forth on her mother being Jane Mary or Mary Jane but either way, thought it a picture worth sharing! Hope you are well. Hey, if you have any info about the families of the other siblings I would love to hear it. I am hoping through one of these family members I might locate my great great grandmother's grave.

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« Reply #254 on: June 06, 2019, 04:18:59 PM »
Hi Chad,    I haven't read all the posts on here again but what was your G G Grandmother's name and where did she live?