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Ian

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Re: International cruise ships and LLandudno
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2016, 11:11:32 AM »
I suspect the draught is a major consideration. The water off Llandudno on both shores and the Orme is shallow in terms of the draught of some of these super liners. Holyhead has very deep water close to the shore, but not Llandudno.
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Dave

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Re: International cruise ships and LLandudno
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2016, 11:46:50 AM »
The draught blowing in from West Shore through town would push them back out to sea. ;) The water's not deep enough close in either.

Ian

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Re: International cruise ships and LLandudno
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2016, 01:07:12 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D
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Bri Roberts

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Re: International cruise ships and LLandudno
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2016, 05:32:54 PM »
How deep is the sea off Llandudno's north shore?

Does anybody have any idea?

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Re: International cruise ships and LLandudno
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2016, 05:48:14 PM »
Not much help, only tell's depth at end of the pier.  extract from navigational chart.

"The bottom is mostly shingle with poor holding ground. A pier extends 0.2 mile NE from the shore at the W side of the bay. There is a depth of 2.7m alongside the head of the pier, but it was reported not in use. A jetty extends from the shore close S of the pier."

Ian

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Re: International cruise ships and LLandudno
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2016, 07:09:21 PM »
It's no deeper than 90 feet max at high tide until more than 12km from shore.
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Re: International cruise ships and LLandudno
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2016, 07:16:10 PM »
Would you believe the draught of allegedly the largest cruise ship in the World, namely Harmony of the Seas, is 9.32m?



PhilMick

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Re: International cruise ships and LLandudno
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2016, 07:28:31 PM »
I couldn't see how the depths were calculated, for example, allowing for tidal range. From memory I think there is an 8 metre low to high tide range.

One of the logistical challenges I've noticed with cruise ships, are the sheer number of passengers going on organised trips. If 1500-2000 passengers go on trips just think of how many taxis, minibuses and coaches this needs. Where would they park and wait in Llandudno?

I can't think of anywhere in North Wales, apart from Holyhead, that could cope with this problem.

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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2016, 07:52:04 PM »
A possibility is to use a tender from the cruise ships to the pier.  This was performed by the St Trillo in the days when the Kungsholm and others used to call.  Fleets of Royal Red and Creams coaches used to convey the passengers to Bodnant Gardens and Conwy Castle.

I have seen a smaller cruise ship use its own launch to take passengers to a landing stage where depth meant the ship itself could not get alongside due to depth of water.

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Re: International cruise ships and LLandudno
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2016, 02:21:05 PM »
I'm just imagining 2000 American tourists disembarked at the pier head, and wondering how they are to be transported to the town. After all, they not going to physically walk are they?
Nor will they walk up the Orme or to West Shore.
So, after they have sampled the delights of Poundland and Wetherspoons, they can take endless pictures of the Monkey Man, and contemplate about how to get back to the pier.
This is a scenario that doesn't bear thinking about, it's never going to happen.
Fester...
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Bri Roberts

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Re: International cruise ships and LLandudno
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2016, 04:53:07 PM »
Fester, if all the passengers are that decrepit then they can visit your kiosk and will have no need to travel any further.

PhilMick

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Re: International cruise ships and LLandudno
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2016, 07:02:55 PM »
Could they not start a continental type river cruise up the Conwy - the sailing ships of old got to Tal y Cafn.

spotty dog

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Re: International cruise ships and LLandudno
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2016, 07:12:01 PM »
the depth at the end of Llandudno pier is 2.6 mts at LAT
whilst Holyhead has 7.6 mts at ro ro pier

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Re: International cruise ships and LLandudno
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2016, 07:30:08 PM »
How far out is 10 metres?

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« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2016, 08:36:26 PM »
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