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Hugo

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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #375 on: October 30, 2018, 12:29:03 PM »
Anneelaine,    I've now seen another thread in RootsChat  and you have already explored the Llangwyllog connection and someone called Big  Al has given you a lot of information about your request and also your family tree.

The Burial index for that area only gives the graves location if there is a headstone on the grave and Big Al has said that there is no Rogerson listed in that index

There is nothing I can possibly add to this that Big Al hasn't already said to you.   It sounds like William may have been buried in St Cwyllog's Church in Llangwyllog but only the Church and possibly the Anglesey Archives in Llangefni may have the exact location of the grave

DVT

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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #376 on: October 30, 2018, 01:26:29 PM »
Some info from findmypast.com - hope it's not repeating or confusing.

1851 census - Canonbury Square, Islington, London
William Rogerson, age 52 (1799) Elastic Fabric Merchant, born Ireland
Annie I Rogerson, age 44 (1807) wife, born Ireland
Ellen M Rogerson, age 26 (1825) daughter, born Ireland
Mary A Rogerson, age 24 (1827) daughter, born Ireland
Emily F Rogerson, age 20 (1831) daughter, born Ireland
Louisa I Rogerson, age 18 (1833) daughter, born Ireland
Adelaide Rogerson, age 17 (1834) daughter, born Ireland
Florence I Rogerson, age 11 (1840) daughter, scholar, born Ireland
William T Rogerson, age 9 (1842) son, scholar, born Ireland
James T Rogerson, age 6 (1845) son, scholar, born Ireland
George Rogerson, age 4 (1847) son, norn Liverpool
There is also Ellen McCarthy, age 33 (1818) servant, born Ireland
That would suggest that the family came over from Ireland sometime between 1845 and 1847.

1861 census - 23 Church road, Hackney, London
William B Rogerson, age 62 (1799) retired merchant, born Ireland
Ann J Rogerson, age 54 (1807) wife, born Ireland
Emily F Rogerson, age 29 (1832) governess, born Ireland
Florence Rogerson, age 20 (1841) governess, born Ireland
George N Rogerson, age 14 (1847) clerk in a railway office, born Liverpool
There is also Henry Newgam, age 28 (1833) boarder, chemist, born Lincolnshire and
Catherine Connor, age 35 (1826) general servant, born Ireland

1871 censue - no trace of William Rogerson but could, from your note above, have been back in Ireland.

1871 census - Middle Street, South Place, Camberwell, London
Ann Rogerson, age 62 (1809) lodger, born Ireland ... could be the same Ann Rogerson above.

1881 census - Carnarvon Terrace, Llangefni, Anglesey
Thoams Davies, age 63 (1818) formerly farm servanmt, born Anglesey
Mary Rogerson, age 35 (1846) widow, lodger, Nurse (SMS), born Llangwyllog, Anglesey
Roger Rogerson, age 6 (1875) lodger, scholar, born Llangefni
Mary A Rogerson, age 7 (1874) lodger, scholar, born Liverpool
William B Rogerson, age 3 (1878) lodger, born Bangor, Caernarvonshire
There is also Catherine Jones, age 31 (1850) lodger, general domestic servant, born Llwngwyllog

There is also abirth in 1877 of William Bell Rogerson, 2nd quarter, on Bangor - mother's maiden mame Jones.

Noting your comment earlier about being rich to live in  St George Hanover Square, London ... my maternal grandfather (George Roper) was born there in 1896 and the 1901 census shows him as living in Eaton Mews South, he was one of seven children.  His father (also George Roper) was a groom and looking at the neighbouring properties there were a number of grooms and stable workers - I believe the street comprised stables.  Certainly my family were not rich!!!  The street now comprises some very exclusive and expensive apartments, and google street map won't take you down there!

rhuddlan

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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #377 on: October 30, 2018, 03:46:40 PM »
I see there is mention of a Bankruptcy .  It was in 1864 when he was a mourning Hat Band Manufacturer.
From that I found a William Rogerson as a Hatter in Liverpool with Mary Jones as a servant. She and a visitor listed below
herald from Wales and I  can only guess Mary became the Mary Rogerson 1929 probate for whom there is probate mentioned on a Bangor web site that has already been checked out  by AE

Event Type   Census
Event Date   1871
Event Place   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Enumeration District   35
Gender   Male
Age   72
Marital Status   Widowed
Occupation   Hatter
Relationship to Head of Household   Head
Birth Year (Estimated)   1799
Birthplace   Ireland
Entry Number   23
Affiliate Image Identifier   GBC/1871/3792/0229
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
William Rodgerson   Head   M   72   Ireland
Jane Jones   Visitor   F   15   Wales
Mary Jones   Servant   F   32   Wales

anneelaine

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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #378 on: October 30, 2018, 04:53:21 PM »
Yes thank you
I have done some phone calling today so hope to hear soon
 been looking for graves in wrong place
Yep she left money to her brother 1929 William Jones
Thanks
AE

anneelaine

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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #379 on: October 30, 2018, 05:17:50 PM »
DVT ,
Thank you for all that Anne Rogerson nee Mcgill past away in 1862 London
and WBR went on his way to Liverpool so he is in the 1871 census also my grandmother as a servant
married in Dublin and went back to or around Llangefni, Anglesey  where she came from.
AE

anneelaine

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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #380 on: October 30, 2018, 09:44:05 PM »
DVT,
Yep he was very rich
 houses in Dublin London Liverpool
was a ESQ William Bell Rogerson But lost the lot Poor guy
AE

anneelaine

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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #381 on: October 31, 2018, 05:13:13 PM »
HUGO,
  spot on,
Both WBR & Mary are in one of the churches in Llangwyllog or graveyards but did not know which one
could be St Cwyllog's Church in Llangwyllog but don't know. Forshaw
AE.



Hugo

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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #382 on: October 31, 2018, 10:16:52 PM »
As far as I can tell from Google there is only one graveyard in Llangwyllog, there are 4 nearby in Llangefni but  you need to focus on St Cwyllog first and find out who has the records of the burials in that Church.
Perhaps the Anglesey Archives at Llangefni should be your starting point

Their e-mail address is
archives@ynysmon.gov.uk

anneelaine

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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #383 on: November 01, 2018, 12:17:10 AM »
Hugo,
Been told today WBR  1877 & Mary Rogerson  1929 also Mary Anne Rogerson 1941 are in a grave together
in Llangwyllog.
Anglesey Archives at Llangefni  told me today But as no stone on the grave it's not put on the records 
but should give  the church a  ring and may get it that way
  but cannot find the phone number.
AE

Cambrian

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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #384 on: November 01, 2018, 08:01:28 AM »
anneelaine

Llangwyllog church now forms part of the Bro Elyth mission area.  The vicar for the area is Rev Kevin Ellis and his phone number is
01407 831525.

anneelaine

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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #385 on: November 01, 2018, 12:17:29 PM »
Cambrian,
Thank you so much for the number
AE