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Cambrian

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« Reply #330 on: October 14, 2018, 07:01:55 PM »
DVT - have you tried maps.nls.uk

This is the National Library of Scotland collection.  I find it very easy to use and without all the commercial blurb on the old maps site.

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« Reply #331 on: October 14, 2018, 08:24:22 PM »
Annelaine ... found quite a bit about Jane Ann Davies and the Davies family!  I started with the 1901 census and worked from there, but to put things in chronological order here they are.  The first few entries become relevant as you read down!

1851 at Cefngwyn, Eglwysbach
William Hughes age 33 (1818) born Eglwysbach, farmer of 20 acres of upland
Catherine Hughes age 32 (1819) born Eglwysbach, his wife
John Hughes age 1 (1850) born Eglwysbach, their son

1861 at Garth, Eglwysbach
Wlliam Hughes age 46 (1815) born Eglwysbach, farmer of 150 acres
Catherine Hughes age 40 (1821) born Eglwysbach,
John Hughes age 11 (1850) their son, born Eglwysbach,
Mary Hughes age 8 (1853) their daughter, born Eglwysbach,
Catherine Hughes age 6 (1855) their daughter, born Eglwysbach,
Thomas Hughes age 4 (1857) their son

1871 at Garth, Cefnycoed, Llanrwst
same family as above but with slight variations on ages

1881 at Ty Newydd, Eglwysbach
Wlliam Hughes age 65 (1816) born Eglwysbach, farmer of 40 acrews
Catherine Hughes age 64 (1817) born Eglwysbach
Mary Hughes age 28 (1853) their daughter, born Eglwysbach
Catherine Hughes age 26 (1855) their daughter, born Eglwysbach, occupation given as "Domestic Servant out of Employment"
Mary Catherine Hughes age 4 (1877) their grand-daughter, born Eglwysbach

1881 at Mardir Farm, Glan Conway
Owen Davies age 22 - see previous information - that's how you can tie in with there!

1882 Owen Davies married Catherine Hughes at Llanrwst

1891 at Rectory Cottage, Trefriw
Owen age 32 (1859) a saer (carpenter), born Glan Conway
Catherine age 32 (1859), born Eglwysbach
Hugh age 8 (1883), born Glan Conway
Mary C age 6 (1885), born Llanrwst
Elizabeth E age 2 (1889), born Trefriw
Jane A age 1 (1890), born Trefriw

1901 at Bryn Rodyn, Trefriw we have
Owen age 42 (1859) a wheelwright, born Glan Conway
Catherine age 44 (1857) born Eglwysbach
Hugh age 18 (1883) a wheelwright, born Glan Conway
Mary C age 16 (1885) born Llanrwst
Elizabeth E age 13 (1888) born Trefriw
Jane A age 11 (born 1890) born Trefriw
Gwilym J age 8 (1893) born Trefriw - transcript incorrect as original shows I not J (longhand script writing!)
Gertrude age 5 (1896) born Trefriw
Thomas O age 3 (1898) born Trefriw

1911 at Bryn Pair, Trefriw
Catherine age 52 (1859) a widow and Lodging Housekeeper
Gwilym Iorwerth age 18 (1893) an Aluminium Works Labourer - that would be in Dolgarrog
Thomas Owen age 13 (1898) an errand boy
Margaret Mary age 1 (1910) grand-daughter, born in Llanrwst

1911 at Glasfryn, Trefriw
Hugh age 28 (1883) a carpenter and wheelwright
Margaret age 30 (1881) his wife, born Llanrwst

1911 at Ffrith y Wae, Glan Conway
The home of James and Anne Evans
Gertrude age 14 (1897) their niece born Trefriw, occupation shown as "helping"
Anne is shown with an "e" and born 1863 but could perhaps be the Ann Davies at Mardir Farm age 10 in 1871 then Owen would be her brother, and so Gertrude would be a niece.

1911 at Grassendale, Mostyn Avenue, Llandudno
Elizabeth Ellen age 23 (1888) born Trefriw, a General Domestic Servant for Walter Richard Kempson, the owner of apartments

I cannot find Jane Ann Davies in 1911 but guess she got married - to a William Rogerson ?

Cefngwyn, Garth and Ty Newydd are all fairly close to each other, alongside the road to Llyn Syberi, Tal-y-Cafn.

More pieces for your jigsaw puzzle!

Big coincidence when I researched that and I thought we would end up related!!!  Your line has a Catherine Hughes living in Ty Newydd, Eglwysbach - so does mine!  However, my Catherine Hughes was born 1839 and there on both 1841 and 1851 census - she was my great-grandmother.

Dave

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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #332 on: October 14, 2018, 08:40:39 PM »
Cambrian - thanks for that tip, not seen that one before - much clearer than the old-maps ones!

anneelaine

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« Reply #333 on: October 14, 2018, 09:26:29 PM »
WOW
Thank you DVT.
a lot to put down.
Jane Anne Davies did not get married to WBR till 1917 so  where was she lol Mmmm
Anneelaine

anneelaine

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« Reply #334 on: October 15, 2018, 03:00:03 PM »
Been looking  for victory yard in Llandudno in 1911 for   Jane Ann Davies was working or living here
thanks
Anneelaine

Cambrian

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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #335 on: October 15, 2018, 03:22:34 PM »
annelaine

I think Victory Yard may be Victoria Yard.

This was off Back Madoc Street.  There were five of these yards which contained workshops and small dwellings.  The area has been re-developed a couple of times since the 1930s and now forms the Victoria Shopping Centre.

anneelaine

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« Reply #336 on: October 16, 2018, 09:58:59 PM »
DVT,
I was just  been thinking Evens!!  could this be the start of the name                 
William Henry Evans, Gwyrfai,
I all most sure 99%9 Gwyrfai was the farm my Dad took me to as a child (Dad cousin)
maybe over thinking again
1911 at Ffrith y Wae, Glan Conway
The home of James and Anne Evans
Gertrude age 14 (1897) their niece born Trefriw, occupation shown as "helping"
Anne is shown with an "e" and born 1863 but could perhaps be the Ann Davies at Mardir Farm age 10 in 1871 then Owen would be her brother, and so Gertrude would be a niece.
Anneelaine






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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #337 on: October 17, 2018, 10:47:11 PM »
Looking closer at the 1911 census details for James Evans ... the census forms you can view online are copies of the originals, hand-written by the residents.  Although the transcript gives the property as Ffrith y Vae I am confident the writing actually says Ffrith y Voel (spelt with a V and not F).  The census also states that the marriage of James and Anne has been for 24 years and they had 4 children, three still living but not at that address.

Strangely I cannot trace James or Anne Evans on earlier censuses.

Who is William Henry Evans, cannot trace him.

anneelaine

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« Reply #338 on: October 18, 2018, 03:24:22 PM »
William Henry Evans, Gwyrfai, Glan Conway,
Lived at the farm I am 99.9%
                                        thinking it was Pensarm Farm in 1967 or 66
Dad said it was his cousin that's all
Never heard of the name  Evens before
 till you said about 1911
Anneelaine


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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #339 on: October 18, 2018, 03:47:32 PM »
William Henry Evans is too recent to trace through findmypast, but you have links to Hughes family at Trefriw, who are linked to the Evans family at Ffrith-y-Foel, so it looks as though things are coming together that way.  It is possible that William Henry Evans is a decscendant of James and Anne Evans.

anneelaine

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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #340 on: October 19, 2018, 02:44:18 PM »
Could be I hope
thank you
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anneelaine

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« Reply #341 on: October 19, 2018, 03:05:37 PM »
this is Is this Rhys' evens son birth registration? William Henry( Evens But it says mother Maiden name as Evens) Mmmmm

General Records Office (GRO)
Rhys W Evans, Dec Qtr 1934, Conwy, vol 11B  page 563 - mother's maiden name Evans

North Wales BMDs
Rhys Wyn Evans, 1934, sub district Llandudno, registers held Conwy County Borough, ref. DUDNO/16/38

anneelaine

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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #342 on: October 19, 2018, 11:04:33 PM »
DVT
Maybe a bit thick.
 But just got this from someone
There is a possible civil marriage in Conw(a)y district 1930 between William Henry Evans and Elizabeth Evans.The W H Evans born to James and Ann in Golborne was born in 1890 so if it is him it may not be a first marriage.
Thanks

anneelaine

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Re: Pensarn Farm Llangystenin Conwy
« Reply #343 on: October 20, 2018, 02:38:59 AM »
Hi forget this not on right track

anneelaine

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« Reply #344 on: October 20, 2018, 02:59:20 AM »
Hi keep going back  & back and still coming up with this
James Evans   Head   M   41   Llenllan, Denbighshire
Anne Evans   Wife   F   39   Glan Conway, Denbighshire
Janes Evans   Son   M   13   Liverpool
William H Evans   Son   M   10   Golborn Lancaster
John Evans   Son   M   7   Burtonwood Lancaster
William Owen   Boarder   M   28   Whitford, Flintshire
we have got the William H evens here Mmmmm