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« Reply #315 on: October 13, 2018, 03:21:11 PM »
Yes, now found Glanllyn on a map, it is very close to Marian ... old-maps.co.uk ... when I looked earlier I was viewing an 1891 map which didn't show it, but the 1900 one does!  Looking on Google maps now Marian exists but no trace of Glanllyn - map reference SH 825756.

I do think that the walk to Pensarn would be directly North-West across fields until reaching the B5381 just up from Black Cat!

You can really tie yourself into knots on this family history stuff - I can trace my family on Bodnant Estate back to 1820 with several working for the estate, but there are a lot of other Thomas's there as well and I just cannot link them together.  My family members are all labourers or gardeners, but some of the other Thomas's are the actual farmers - I'm sure they must link up!

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« Reply #316 on: October 13, 2018, 08:50:49 PM »
 Hugo.
Hugh Davies  1828 born Llansantffraid, Denbighshire, Wales
also worked on a farm called maidu mawz looks like in 1871
Anneelaine

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« Reply #317 on: October 13, 2018, 09:02:48 PM »
Hi.
How I know about the 2 farms and the walking across the fields to each farm  is my uncle william got a wasp in his mouth
 when in the fields and it stung him,
             it just stuck in my mind.
                           Anneelaine

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« Reply #318 on: October 13, 2018, 10:14:43 PM »
Hey .
Think I found something 1871 Hugh Davies was working as a  laborer @ Glanllyn.
Anneelaine

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« Reply #319 on: October 14, 2018, 12:14:41 AM »
Hi .
Forget the last bit got it mixed up
Anneelaine

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« Reply #320 on: October 14, 2018, 12:41:03 AM »
Hugo.
When i was saying about Hugh Davies age
also the name of the farm
Well it was  Mardir Mawr, Llansanffraid.
Anneelaine

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« Reply #321 on: October 14, 2018, 12:11:57 PM »
The farm is still there Anneelaine.    It's in an area of Glan Conwy that is known as the Graig and not too far from Ffrith Y Foel.
It's a nice looking building and the strange thing is that I drove past the property some years ago when I was looking for a William Davies and took a photo of the property next door to Mardir.    On the photo of that other property you can see another roof of a building and that is Mardir's roof



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« Reply #322 on: October 14, 2018, 01:11:01 PM »
I think there are just too many Hugh Davies's in Llansantffraid in the 1800's!!!  There is also variation in ages on the census but that was normal and could be up to 5 years out, so there is a little bit of guess work here!

Hugh Davies (birth year varies from 1835 to 1839)

1841 is at Brin y Felin, aged 6 (1835) with parents Hugh 25 (1816) a Labourer and Catherine 30 (1811), brother Robert 3 (1838) plus Thomas Thomas 70 (1771) and Martha Hughes 15 (1826) who have no relationship given

1851 is at St Ucha, aged 16 (1835) Agricultural Labourer at the home of Henry Williams, General Practitioner

1861 cannot trace

1871 is at Glanllyn, aged 35 (1836) with wife Mary 36 (1835), daughters Anne 15 (1856) and Elizabeth 4 (1867) and sons Hugh 12 (1859), John (1864) and William 2 (1869)

1881 is at Glanllyn, aged 46 (1835) with wife Mary 47 (1834), daughters Elizabeth 14 (1867) a Dressmaker and Sarah 8 (1873), son William 12 (1869) and grand-daughter Catherine 2 (1879)

1901 is at Glanllyn, aged 62 (1839) with wife Mary 64 (1837) and daughter Sarah E 27 (1874) a Dressmaker

1911 is at Glanllyn, aged 77 (1834), widow with nephew Hugh aged 18.

Hugh Davies (birth year varies from 1828 to 1831)

1871 is at Mardir Farm, aged 40 (1831) with wife Catherine 36 (1835), daughters Ann & Catherine both 10 (1861), Jane 7 (1864) and son John 4 (1867)

1881 is at Mardir Farm, aged 53 (1828) a Farmer & Agricultural Labourer, with wife Catherine 47 (1834), daughters Elizabeth 8 (1873) and Ellin 6 (1875) and sons Hugh 24 (1857) an Indoor Servant, Owen 22 (1859) a Joiner and Thomas 4 (1877)

1901 is at Ffrith y Foel, aged 73 (1828) with wife Catherine 68 (1833), daughter Elizabeth 28 (1873) a Dressmaker, and grand-daughter Catherine 9 (1892)

Then you have the following which could be linked:

1841 Hugh Davies 20 (1821) agricultural labourer living in the Yard at Nany y Cowardy (?) farme of John Wynne

1851 Hugh Davies 18 (1833) farm servant at Tyddyn Ucha for William Davies

1851 Hugh Davies 28 (1823) at Trallwyn with mother Ann 58 (1793) Farmer's widow born in Eglwysbach and brothers Evan 26 (1825), William 19 (1832) and Owen 15 (1836)

1871 Hugh Davies 51 (1820) at Tyddyn Ucha, Deunant with wife Mary 41 (1830) and daughter Mary Ann 4 (1867) + 3 servants

Trallwyn (map ref SH 794740) and Mardir (SH 797743) are very close together on the unclassified road that leds from Forddlas Bridge to the top of Bodnant Hill on the western side of the A470 (between A470 and River Conway), also not far from Ffirth-y-Foel.  On the old maps there is a Mardir and a Mardir Bach.

I suspect Nant y Cowardy is really Nant y Cywarch (SH 812738) on the unclassified narrow road heading east from fforddlas Bridge.

Tyddyn Ucha is near Bryn-y-Maen at map ref SH812738

I suspect St Ucha stands for Stryd Ucha which is High Street.

Useful websites for you:
old-maps.co.uk
gridreferencefinder.com
google.co.uk/maps

Hope that is of some help ... more pieces for the jigsaw puzzle, whether they fit or not is another question!

Like me, with many of my ancestors from the same area (Glan Conway and Eglwysbach) there are a lot of duplication of names and they agricultural labourer and dressmaker seems to be the most common occupation.

Good luck!

Dave



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« Reply #323 on: October 14, 2018, 01:12:50 PM »
Sorry Hugo ... I had been compiling my message for last couple of hours and there is some duplication with your post!

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« Reply #324 on: October 14, 2018, 02:38:41 PM »
You've been extremely busy there DVT getting all that info together but it shows just how difficult it is to trace ancestors when they have such a common name.
I trust that Anneelaine  has got the correct one at Ffrith Y Foel  but it's important to check and then recheck just to make sure

Hugh Davies or Down Under as he posts on here had ancestors who lived in Tyddyn Iolyn  in Eglwysbach so there is no connection to Anneelaine that we know of.   

Regarding your own family history DVT have you been to the Conwy Archives to look at any records?    They have lots of Church records going back to the 1600's in some cases

anneelaine

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« Reply #325 on: October 14, 2018, 03:40:49 PM »
Hi.
And thanks for that DVT great help .
I have been invited to  service on the 11/11 Trefriw, Caernarvonshire,
2 of uncle's Davies were  killed in France & Belgium ,1917
I been trying to find them on my tree for ages
and got a email asking me would I like to go a few days ago
So maybe I may meet some family.
Thanks guys

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« Reply #326 on: October 14, 2018, 03:55:58 PM »
Made for an interesting morning for me !!!

Annelaine ... I don't know if you use findmypast.com but I have a subscription so can get at a lot of info that is not free to anyone dropping in.  They are adding more info each week and last week added some Kent 1931 electoral records - I found more info about my maternal grandparents - Mum came from Kent and met Dad, who was from Tyn-y-Groes, ar the end of the War when Dad was stationed there!

The old-maps website has proved very useful for me as I had three different addresses in Tal-y-Cafn and Eglwysbach that have not existed in my lifetime, but I found them on the old maps!

If you have any more info on the Davies's who lost their lives in WW1 I can look them up for you - they should be on the 1911 and 1901 census at least - name, age or year of birth, and address if poss then I'll see what I can find - they may well turn up brothers and sisters who you can relate to.

Hugo ... I've not been to the Conwy Archives but have found a few of my family in Eglwysbach records (and their graves!) and then the Thomas tree goes to Glan Conway where I think I've found the baptism of my great-great-grandfather in 1794 and it gives parental names but they are described as paupers, which is sad.  I know g-g-grandfather was on Bodnant Estate in 1820 and can trace down to me very well from him!

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« Reply #327 on: October 14, 2018, 04:49:57 PM »
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anneelaine

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« Reply #328 on: October 14, 2018, 05:42:54 PM »
Hi. DVT
I was told in Dublin   fine my past was the best one to use
Right names  Davies, Gwilym Iorwerth Davies & Thomas Owen she said was a uncle but Thomas I do not know how,
 Gwilym  was my grand's  brother both born Trefriw, Jane Ann Davies Born 1890
Thanks
 Anneelaine

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« Reply #329 on: October 14, 2018, 05:58:04 PM »
Just one more thing
 The grave owner at the time was a Rowland Lewis, from Llanrwst, who brought  my gt Grandfather and Grandmother grave never heard of  him,
Could I  fine anything out about this grave I have now got a grave number Trefriw cemetery by st Mary's church
The lady who emailed told me this
Thanks
Anneelaine