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DVT

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« Reply #345 on: October 20, 2018, 09:33:38 AM »
I said before that I couldn't find the Evans family before 1911 (when they were at Ffrith-y-Foel) but now had some success!  I was looking to close to home, but your info added some clues!

1891 at Legh Street, Golborne, Leigh, Lancashire we have
James Evans, age 32, a Road Labourer, born Rhenllan (I reckon that should be Henllan, which is near Denbigh)
Annie Evans, age 30, born Glan Conway
James Evans, age 3, born Liverpool
William H Evans, age 5 months, born Golborne
also a lodger Thomas Williams, age 27, a Road Labourer, born Dinas Mawddwy

Then have the info you came up with ...
1901 at 3 Trecastell Terrace, Llangelynin, Conwy we have
James Evans, age 41, a Lead miner (there were lead mines in that area behind Conway)
Annie Evans, age 39
James Evans, age 13
William H Evans, age 10
John Evans age 7, born Burtonwood
also a lodger William Owen, age 28, a Lead miner, born Whitford

So ... it seems the Evans family moved around a lot, with various jobs!

Cannot find William H Evans in 1911, he would have been 20, not with parents at Ffrith-y-Foel.


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« Reply #346 on: October 20, 2018, 01:28:39 PM »
Hi ,
Thanks for that
 I was looking at it all the time thinking what's going on here lol
Now I need to find W,H,E so he born 1890 in Golborn Lancaster I  need to find him in 1911
I think Its go be a late night again
Anneelaine

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« Reply #347 on: October 20, 2018, 02:00:02 PM »
Hi i think we have sorted it Well may have lol
If William Henry is Rhys Wyn's son, it's possible he is named after the William H Evans on the 1901 Census, who is a possible father for Rhys Wyn. just been told this both lived @ !!!
 Gwyrfai William Henry Evans,
 Gwyrfai, Glan Conway RHYS  tooooo
Who are my Dads cousins omg and it got to be the farm house we went to  as a child wow
So the old man could have been Rhys he would have only been in his 30's bless omg
so it was not Pensarn farm Dad took us to as I said only told we were going to see his cousins
Thanks Anneelaine

 

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« Reply #348 on: October 20, 2018, 03:24:45 PM »
Could this be your William Henry Evans (born 1890) in 1911 - the last entry on this list:

1911 census at 8 Priory Road, Everton, Liverpool
William Jones, head, age 47 born 1864, Liverpool - House Joiner
Janet Jones, wife, age 46 born 1865, Liverpool
Janet Alice Jones, daughter, age 16 born 1895, Liverpool - Cigarette Maker in Tobacco Factory
Margaret Gladys Jones, daughter, age 15 born 1896, Liverpool - Cigarette Maker in Tobacco Factory
William Jones, son, age 12 born 1899, Liverpool - at school
Francis Jones, daughter, age 7 born 1904, Liverpool
William Evans, boarder, age 57 born 1854, Aberdovey - House Plumber
William Henry Evans, nephew, age 21 born 1890, Liverpool - House Joiner

As WH's family were over that way when he was born, is it possible he went back there.  Note also that hs is shown as nephew so could that be adding more relations to your tree?

Hopefully I'm not leading you down the wrong road, but that is the only William Henry Evans I could come up with that seemed a possibility.

anneelaine

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« Reply #349 on: October 20, 2018, 04:15:26 PM »
Hi;
I see what you are saying .
O dear what do i do next lol maybe see if he is on the 1939
thanks
Anneelaine

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« Reply #350 on: October 21, 2018, 02:28:27 AM »
All mixed up now
someone sent me this

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Probate record gives date of death as 5 April 1956,granted to his widow Elizabeth (not an inconsiderable sum)!
There is a further probate record in 1959 for an Elizabeth Evans of Old Colwyn.Probate granted to Dewi Arfon Evans,farmer,and Rhys Wyn Evans,Engineer Officer,Merchant Navy.
no money left to the Ann Mmmmm
I have now lost it head spinning  :-\

anneelaine

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« Reply #351 on: October 21, 2018, 02:53:45 AM »
Back again,
I know now W H Evens lived at Gwyrfai, Glan Conway in 1956 just read his will  cannot find his wife will 1959
so who had the farm about 6 years later when I went to it  :-\ O dear me
 farm was left to the 2 boys and not Ann
Anneelaine



anneelaine

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« Reply #352 on: October 22, 2018, 12:17:51 AM »
Hi DVT.
Just got this email
The William Evans who dies in 1956 and appears in that tree is consistent with a GRO death record in Aled district,aged 58 and therefore not the son of James and Ann.
Could I get a photo anywhere of pensar sarn Farm do you think?
I think Not
well back to thinking
THANKS
Anneelaine :-[

anneelaine

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« Reply #353 on: October 27, 2018, 07:39:28 PM »
Hi.?
I know the house I am looking for is Gwyrfai, or a look alike
 But Did Pensarn farm have the same look  maybe
I  am 99%9  I have been to this house Gwyrfai
 my sister said the same
 But  Y  Did we Go
 I will never find out I think now

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« Reply #354 on: October 27, 2018, 10:20:51 PM »
Annelaine ...

... go to Google Maps and search for post code LL28 5LE, then go down to street view.
You will find a Shell filling station (known as Black Cat).
Turn the view through 180 and directly opposite you will see buildings behind a high wall, between the A470 and the B5381 roads.
That is Pensarn.

... however, there was another Pensarn not far away.
Pensarn Cottages still exist, and can be found by searching for LL31 9NJ

... I cannot find any trace of a place named Gwyrfai.

Hope that helps a little.
Dave

anneelaine

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« Reply #355 on: October 27, 2018, 10:53:06 PM »
Hi. DVT
Its now called Castle Keep
The photo in 1966/67 was without the side bits and the  front door has been moved
I feel  & my sister 2 this is the house but how can it be
God I wish I did not have OCD so I can move on lol
driving me mad
Thanks
Anneelaine

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« Reply #356 on: October 28, 2018, 08:51:55 AM »
DVT,  have a look at this old map and you can see the Pensarn Cottages and on the right is Pensarn Farm which is now demolished and where Richard Williams and the Plumb Centre are now.    That Pensarn Farm was in Llangystenin
Below that across the causeway is the other Pensarn Farm by the Black Cat roundabout and that is in Glan Conwy that is now called Sarn Y Mynach
Annelaine's relative was a farmer and I think that the Pensarn Cottages were for railway employees

anneelaine

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« Reply #357 on: October 28, 2018, 04:01:35 PM »
HI, DVT
Thanks  for that,
Been thinking And it keeps coming back when we last went to the farm he never said this is the farm I was born on only we were going to see his cousin and  walked from LJ the farm we went to look like Gwyrfai or
Castle Keep
the farm he was born always looked higher up Pensarn farm
I know my  Dad would speak about 2 farms lower and a higher one
also my aunt age about 95 said when we went to her house
she   had not Seen us from kids
 I know you 2 you are from the top farm  the  Rogerson did not know are names just called us Rogersons this I cannot make out
Anyway I am stuck
so I will thank everyone for the kindness and help
Thanks Anneelaine

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« Reply #358 on: October 28, 2018, 10:31:02 PM »
Anneelaine,   you might never get the answers you are looking for, but do you know or want to know where your father was born?
If you don't know where, then if you put his full name and date of birth on here then if he was ever Baptised then the Baptism record may help

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« Reply #359 on: October 28, 2018, 10:35:50 PM »
Annelaine ...

... does the farm name Waun Fynydd mean anything to you?  That would be in easy walking distance of Pensarn Farm (the one where Richard Williams Builders Merchants is now).  There is a very modern house where Waun Fynydd was, and the land around it is now houses all recently built.  Waun Fynydd is up Narrow Lane before you reach the roundabout with the A470.  On Google maps search post code LL31 9SZ then go up the road (Narrow Lane) a little way and the new house is the large bungalow opposite a parked red car ... only a couple of minutes walk from my house!

... Waun Fynydd could be regarded as upper from Pensarn, equally it could be one of the lower ones (with Pensarn) as there were other farmsteads on the way up to Pydew.

... incidentally the election area is still called Pensarn Ward.

Hugo ...

... was aware of Pensarn Farm.  The Cottages, which are still there, were lived in by railway workers - one being my wife's Great-grandmother and her husband (not her great-grandfather!) and he worked on the railway around 1900.