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Offline sgbright

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Re: Old Photograph
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2013, 09:00:54 pm »
here is the reverse of the pic ...

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Re: Old Photograph
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2013, 09:46:05 pm »
The bird is a Herring Gull, scourge of all the coastal towns on the North Wales coast!  They are supposed to eat fish that they catch themselves but prefer doughnuts, sausage rolls, ice creams and their particular favourite chips that they steal from unsuspecting tourists  :laugh: :laugh:


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Re: Elias Family
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2013, 10:50:10 pm »
Thanks - guess it wasnt one of the "pets" referred to on the card then ...  thank again

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Re: Elias Family
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2013, 12:10:14 am »
Please try this link -if it fails, look up Roots web and you will find it by searching alphabetically. There is a lot of information on there about the entire Elias family. The name of the house was Gorswen.
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=willperf&id=I054645&style=TABLE

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Re: Elias Family
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2013, 12:51:30 am »
Thanks for this - I had most of the data but not in that format.  Thanks didnt realise Gorswen is the house name.

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Re: Elias Family
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2013, 12:59:01 am »
Eryri Snowdonia National Park Authority I National Park Office
Penrhyiideudraeth
Gwynedd LL48 6LF
(01766)770274 Fax No (01766) 771211
cynllunio@eryri-npa.gov.uk
List dated 22-11-2010
New Planning Applications
Caerhun

Demolish existing agricultural building and construction of new agricultural building
Gorswen, Tyn-y-Groes, Conwy / Gorswen, Tyn-y--Groes, Conwy
Mr. R. Roberts, Gorswen, Rowen, Conwy, LL32 8TE
Cotrestwyd
Registered
17/11/2010
Application No,
NP4112/201
Community:
Proposal:
Location:
Applicant:
Type
Full
Grid Reference
275720 371163
Level of Decision
Delegated

If you use the post code on Google maps you will be able to see a picture of the current building which is grade 2 listed and therefore preserved as historic building. Also google Gorswen and you will find all sorts of useful information about the location.

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Re: Elias Family
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2013, 01:04:20 am »
with Rootsweb you can actually find other people who are researching the same family to whom they are so related! You can also download a Gedcom file as long as you have a software package to accept it. By the way, the Maenan Abbey is an amazing place to stay and full of history. When there was a ban on Sunday drinking in our County many years ago, they were able to open becauseof their ancient links to Caernarvonshire and Lord Newborough as an Abbey, so were exempt. It was packed with customers on a Sunday!!

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Re: Elias Family
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2013, 01:08:06 am »
Thanks. 

http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I66746&tree=Welsh

Now I know Gorswen was probably the name of a house rather than a place it looks like it was of substance over many centuries as you can see to the above which flows through to the Elias.  I am definately coming.  I have conflicting material on the webb whether Mearn Abbey would have been owned by the Elias family or whether it might have been part of the estates of Lord Newborough.  Any thoughts on that?

I will study the above now.  thanks again

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Re: Elias Family
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2013, 01:22:19 am »
A quick potted history -surprisingly no mention of Lord Newborough who was a big landowner in the area (the local Newborough Arms pub was named after him (try googling that one!!).   http://www.maenanabbey.co.uk/The-History.html

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Re: Elias Family
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2013, 01:52:00 am »
Yes I found that the other night.  It implies that it was the Elias property.  Not sure if you knew but both Edward Ellias and William Elias were his Estate Manager's one after the other.  I saw a suggestion on a post that they were related.  Guess that would make sense.

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Re: Elias Family
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Re: Elias Family
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2013, 10:25:27 pm »
This should sort out the William and Edward situation

http://histfam.familysearch.org/pedigree.php?personID=I183935&tree=Welsh

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Re: Elias Family
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2013, 10:44:26 pm »
Husband: Ernest William Bartleet
   Born: 1857             at:   
Married:                  at:   
   Died:                  at:   
 Father:
 Mother:
        Other Spouses:
   Wife: Isobel Elias
   Born: 1863             at: UK 
   Died:                  at:   
 Father:
 Mother:
        Other Spouses:
CHILDREN
   Name: Edgar Llewellyn Bartleet
   Born: 14 NOV 1898      at: Waiuku, Sth AKL, NZ 
Married:                  at:   
   Died: 18 NOV 1986      at: Auckland, NZ 
Spouses: Ethel May Colson 
   Name: Ethel Isobel Bartleet
   Born: 1884             at:   
Married:                  at:   
   Died:                  at:   
Spouses: Percival Vivian Flexman 
   Name: Robert Edward Bartleet
   Born: 1886             at:   
Married:                  at:   
   Died:                  at:   
Spouses:
   Name: Ernest Oswald Bartleet
   Born: 1888             at:   
Married:                  at:   
   Died:                  at:   
Spouses: Alberta Wheeler 
   Name: Harold Bartleet
   Born:                  at:   
Married:                  at:   
   Died:                  at:   
Spouses: Ivy Miriam (Miriam) Partridge
   Name: Richard Bernard Bartleet
   Born: 1892             at:   
Married:                  at:   
   Died:                  at:   
Spouses: Winifred Swinton 
   Name: Arthur William Bartleet
   Born: 1894             at:   
Married:                  at:   
   Died:                  at:   
Spouses:
   Name: Annie Harriet Muriel Bartleet
   Born: 1901             at:   
Married:                  at:   
   Died:                  at:   
Spouses:

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Re: Elias Family
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2013, 01:27:15 am »
Thanks again Viv.  I had seen that reference to the Elias family and the Abbey - separately though the Maern estates are referred to as having belonged to the Lord Newborough estates for centuries.  As William and Edward were his Estate Managers until the death of the then lord in the 1880s it is possible they resided there. 

Re the tree thanks again - I have most descendant info.  For your interest I am descended from the Percival and Ethel included in that tree. 

Can you read welsh by any chance - the wedding article above - would love to know what it contains.

thanks again

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Interesting wedding notice
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2013, 06:36:28 pm »
Could anyone kindly assist me with a translation of the attached?  any assistance would be much appreciated.