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Offline Jack

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« Reply #315 on: March 21, 2013, 04:51:30 pm »
Only jesting Fester! - the weather hasn't exactly been conducive to cycling!

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« Reply #316 on: March 23, 2013, 05:42:51 pm »
Here's a photo from page 4 of the Pioneer (13/3/13) showing its rather stark appearance. I too would have preferred something softer, with much more scope for landscaping as an integral part of the design.



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« Reply #317 on: March 29, 2013, 03:18:39 pm »
The new beach currently under construction both sides of the pier is very impressive and should be very popular with visitors.

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« Reply #318 on: April 01, 2013, 07:47:38 pm »
 Gosh you re correct there Dave about this new beach being impressive.
  But, I am rather baffled/
  I am aware that Gran Caneria in the Canaries built a beach with sand from the Sahara desert hundreds if not thousands of miles away. Also all the effort being put in at Colwyn Bay. Even the original contractors to the waterfront redevelopment (Vockar Stevens?} are back. All these people MUST know what they are doing.
   But, knowing as we all do the power of the sea in a nasty mood alongside the prom. Just how is all this sand not going to be washed away in a few nasty hours?
  I'v got this feeling. there are places where nature says the tide is going away (i.e.Parkgate on the Wirral) and places where it says its going in (Towyn).
  I don't know this answer, I;d be interested to read what any of the forum members think.  Mike

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« Reply #319 on: April 01, 2013, 10:36:53 pm »
Well it's still there after a couple of weeks of high tides! The rock groynes are holdig the sand in place by changing the direction of the tide -then the slope of the each slows down the impact of the tide which previously hit an upright stone wall. The result will be a dry beach between the Waterfront and Marine Road.

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« Reply #320 on: April 02, 2013, 01:53:13 am »
Gosh you re correct there Dave about this new beach being impressive.
  But, I am rather baffled/
  I am aware that Gran Caneria in the Canaries built a beach with sand from the Sahara desert hundreds if not thousands of miles away. Also all the effort being put in at Colwyn Bay. Even the original contractors to the waterfront redevelopment (Vockar Stevens?} are back. All these people MUST know what they are doing.
   But, knowing as we all do the power of the sea in a nasty mood alongside the prom. Just how is all this sand not going to be washed away in a few nasty hours?
  I'v got this feeling. there are places where nature says the tide is going away (i.e.Parkgate on the Wirral) and places where it says its going in (Towyn).
  I don't know this answer, I;d be interested to read what any of the forum members think.  Mike


I tend to think the same, as I have lived in the area over thirty five years and seen a lot of sand gradually disappear. Though i hope it wont. The sand placed at Rhos years ago disappeared and I remember a lovely area of soft sand being placed at Penrhyn Bay beach and that got washed or blown away over a few years.
I did think wherever out in the bay they had dredged the sand it was muddy coloured and not as clean looking as around our coastline, but think now it is drying it seems to be looking a bit cleaner :roll:hopefully and not full of muddy oily settlement from the shipping lanes.
One other thing puzzles me if we stop or hold the sea back in that area of Colwyn Bay, wont the sea have more of a stronger impact  further up or down the coast. ???

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« Reply #321 on: April 02, 2013, 09:02:16 am »
I am no expert on the subject, but common sense says that water (sea) and sand mix and move around according to the movement of the tides, thus the 'new ' sand is bound to move around.
If the rock groynes hold the water away, that presents a problem of having to keep the beach clean using manpower. Morcambe was a prime example of 'messing with' the natural water ebb and flow-- gradually the beach became slimier and dirtier as time went on. This might now have been sorted out-- I haven't been for years, but it wasn't fit to let the dog on when I was last there, with what was deposited there.
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« Reply #322 on: April 02, 2013, 03:45:39 pm »
You could well have a point Nemesis because I took this photo from my room the other day and it looked like the sand was dispersing all over the bay.  It was exactly the same in the other direction too.
The boat was in the bay and unloading its cargo of sand on the high tide at that time.

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« Reply #323 on: April 02, 2013, 05:04:33 pm »
Thanks for the pic Hugo-- it does look to be all over the place.
The sea has a way of it's own, difficult to control and difficult to know what it will do next. This morning we were in Rhos/Colwyn Bay and the prom below the Caley bank was covered in seaweed and debris. Overnight the tide must have been lashing over the top of the prom-- as it does all along there. I didn't think that it had been a particularly wild night, so could this be an indication of the fact that everything is being shifted?
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« Reply #324 on: April 02, 2013, 05:56:39 pm »
It is well known that there are some very peculiar currents in the sea around Rhos and it will be difficult keeping the sand from shifting over time.
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« Reply #325 on: April 02, 2013, 09:38:04 pm »
  From your replies I get the feeling that you all think the same as me. We all hope it will work but we've got that nasty feeling that it may prove a waste of time

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« Reply #326 on: April 03, 2013, 11:55:48 am »
Exactly.
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« Reply #327 on: April 03, 2013, 10:09:56 pm »
Having visited B and Q this evening and fish and chips on West shore, fantastic sunset i might add. We drove along the prom through Rhos and Colwyn and stopped to watch the sand and seawater being pumped ashore, impressive to say the least ,the power of those pumps must be so strong. Just one thing though altho a lot of sand is staying on the beach (I think) a hell of a lot is going back into the sea. Fair play to the guys down there though it is a heck of a cold job to do. I think we will gain some more sand further along when the tide moves it.
Still a bit concerned if the power of the sea is broken in that beach area, will it be hitting Rhos stronger than before.

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« Reply #328 on: April 04, 2013, 07:39:05 am »
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Still a bit concerned if the power of the sea is broken in that beach area, will it be hitting Rhos stronger than before.

Our youngest is a fluid dynamics specialist, and he's told us that the maths behind tidal behaviour predictions, when you make any changes at all, are so horrifyingly complex that it's almost impossible to say with any certainty what the outcome will be. They know in broad terms what should happen but whether it will only time will tell.
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« Reply #329 on: April 04, 2013, 01:38:21 pm »
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Still a bit concerned if the power of the sea is broken in that beach area, will it be hitting Rhos stronger than before.

Our youngest is a fluid dynamics specialist, and he's told us that the maths behind tidal behaviour predictions, when you make any changes at all, are so horrifyingly complex that it's almost impossible to say with any certainty what the outcome will be. They know in broad terms what should happen but whether it will only time will tell.


Thanks for that Ian, I guess we will just have to play the waiting game to see what happens. It will be a nice beach area whilst we have it, perhaps it will just get replenished if ever needed.
Quite impressive to watch the beach unfold if anyone gets the chance to go down and look.  *&(