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Are you 100% certain that the NASA Moon landings were genuine?
16 (66.7%)
Are you 100% certain that the NASA moon landings were faked?
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Offline Bri Roberts

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Re: Re: The Lunar Landings
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2012, 05:27:24 pm »
Nice photos, Ian, but I did not think human beings could safely travel to the moon because of the Van Allen Radiation Belt whereas it is never a problem for spaceships etc.

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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2012, 07:21:40 pm »
Am I the only one who thinks that this conspiracy rubbish is only tarnishing the supposed obituary of one of the biggest modern day heroes and would be better served somewhere else on the site???
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Re: Re: The Lunar Landings
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2012, 07:46:27 pm »
Ian / Dave.

I can only reiterate what I said to Dave in person today, (Caffe Nero as usual)

I am an open minded person, and I am quite prepared to be convinced the authenticity of the lunar landings.
In fact, I would honestly welcome having my mind changed, because it would mean that the 'powers that be' are not really able to hoodwink the entire population of the Earth.
I still feel that there is a sufficient amount of anomalies and inconsistencies to create the envionment for some doubt.

Whilst that doubt exists, it will room for debate and there is no better place for a debate than a Forum!

Dealing with two points briefly, (from both sides)

1, Like Bri, I also understood that scientists generally agreed that it was not possible for humans to travel through the Van Allen radiation belt.  Not without 30 feet of lead shielding at least.

2, 400,000 people involved to varying degrees in the Lunar programme.  Yes, that is way  too many to keep a secret.  But, in reality 99% of them are only small cogs in a big wheel doing operational tasks.  Only a relatively small amount at the top of the pyramid would need to be 'in the know'

The conspiracy theorists have raised many anomalies, most are easily explained away, but others just cannot be.
Until that situation changes, doubt can exist.  I am intrigued, nothing more.

SDQ, the topic can be placed elsewhere by all means... I have no wish to tarnish the achievements of such a respected individual as Neil Armstrong.
But let the discussion continue.





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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2012, 08:10:43 pm »
I have no wish to tarnish the achievements of such a respected individual as Neil Armstrong.
But you're accusing him of being intrinsically involved in what would be the biggest fraud/lie in history! You can't call him respected if you're saying he's an outright liar about the Moon Landings?  &shake&

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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2012, 08:19:33 pm »
I'm saying no such thing Dave, you know it, and you are being mischievous, Sir!

Feel free to move the debate to another topic, but please don't run a Forum if you wish to stifle debate.

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Re: Re: The Lunar Landings
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2012, 08:25:51 pm »
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I did not think human beings could safely travel to the moon because of the Van Allen Radiation Belt whereas it is never a problem for spaceships etc.


It's a combination of time spent in the zones and the amount of shielding carried. The command modules were heavily shielded, using dense gold foil for instance, and the command modules spent comparatively little time in the zones themselves.  In fact, most of the irradiating the astronauts received was through cosmic radiation outside of the belts, and that seems to have been below what the US administration considers a dangerous dose.   Dealing with solar flare radiation (far more lethal than the VA Belt) is the biggest problem facing the Mars mission planners, if we're ever to get a man on Mars.
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Re: The Lunar Landings
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2012, 08:42:03 pm »
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1, Like Bri, I also understood that scientists generally agreed that it was not possible for humans to travel through the Van Allen radiation belt.  Not without 30 feet of lead shielding at least.


I have never come across any reputable Physicist or Astrophysicist saying anything remotely like that.  All the academic papers agree that it's possible to transit the VA belts, and that even without shielding the amount  of time a craft on an inter-planetary trajectory would spend in the region would not deliver a fatal dose, or anywhere near. Some of these misunderstandings come about because we're fed all sorts of nonsense with regard to radiation. A person living in Aberdeen gets a higher radiation dosage each year than folk working in a Nuclear power station. What's far more dangerous is a solar flare, because without a magnetic shield the highly energised particles flares release could kill the astronauts.

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400,000 people involved to varying degrees in the Lunar programme.  Yes, that is way  too many to keep a secret.  But, in reality 99% of them are only small cogs in a big wheel doing operational tasks.  Only a relatively small amount at the top of the pyramid would need to be 'in the know'

I suspect there too many specialist jobs involved for it to be kept secret. All the mission payload specialists would know if something was being fudged but - in the final analysis - I'd simply go for Occam's Razor.

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The conspiracy theorists have raised many anomalies, most are easily explained away, but others just cannot be.

Fair enough, and that's exactly what a forum is for.  If you post the points you feel cant be explained, then we can all weigh in.
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Re: The Lunar Landings
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2012, 08:50:18 pm »
What makes me wonder about this (and I say wonder, not necessarily disbelieve), is that since that date no other person, company, or country has repeated the exercise.   I ask myself why?
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« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2012, 08:51:31 pm »
Cost?  I think the Apollo missions took such a chunk of the US GDP that even they had to stop.
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« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2012, 08:56:07 pm »
What I honestly don't understand is why people would want to believe such nonsense conspiracy theories? Is it so they can nod knowingly whilst saying "I know what's really going on" to themselves?  :laugh: It's not being open minded, it's just believing any old b*llocks in my view.  &shake&

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« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2012, 08:57:25 pm »
Cost?  I think the Apollo missions took such a chunk of the US GDP that even they had to stop.

Russia and China have both been capable of affording it as the technology had been proved for them!
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Re: The Lunar Landings
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2012, 09:04:43 pm »
What makes me wonder about this (and I say wonder, not necessarily disbelieve), is that since that date no other person, company, or country has repeated the exercise.   I ask myself why?
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« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2012, 09:05:33 pm »
Interestingly, there's some evidence that the Russians got a man on the moon, but they didn't survive.  Once the US had made it, the USSR publicly abandoned all its Lunar efforts, which gave the US the chance to shut up shop and save the money.  China was technologically way further behind, and were spending all their money on trying to feed their billions.  China is probably the best placed to do it now, but I'm betting that private investors will start to head the race, before the  big militaries get involved again.  But who knows....
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« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2012, 09:14:09 pm »
The three issues I would raise for debate, are amongst the main ones which make me suspicious.

I am genuinely wanting to hear concise and plausible answers to these point.... to date, I never have.

Here goes..

1, Over several days, the Apollo 11 mission visited several craters, and named them.
However, when you look at the footage they are absolutely identical in every respect, down to the last little rock.
Almost like a film-set, one might argue.

2, When the lunar module blasted off back to Earth at the end of the mission, the event was filmed.
But strangely the camera smoothly followed the path of the vehicle in its upward and then diagonal flightpath.
Almost as if someone was stood there holding the camera?
I do not believe that remote control cameras of today's standard were in existence back then.

3, Quite a significant number of NASA officials have come out over the years, and stated that all might not have been as it seemed on several Apollo missions.  However, due to an equally high number of convenient 'car accidents' ... none of those people survived long enough to give much detail.


Dave, you might think the issue is bo##ocks, but I think the same about several of the topics on the Forum.
So, I tend to stay off them and not comment.
Why would you not do likewise on this subject?   $hands$

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Re: The Lunar Landings
« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2012, 09:23:15 pm »
China is probably the best placed to do it now, but I'm betting that private investors will start to head the race, before the  big militaries get involved again.  But who knows....

I think you may find it might be a nation rather closer to home: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-11201179   http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/isleofman/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8974000/8974794.stm
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