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« Reply #1005 on: August 02, 2019, 03:17:39 PM »
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The Brecon and Radnorshire election was revealing in several ways.  B & R has long been a LibDem seat, and was occupied by the Tories only relatively recently. The worrying factor for labour, however, is that they'd never polled with fewer than 5000 until this one, when it was a miserable 1680. 

Quite apart from the glaringly obvious observation that JC really, really needs to go - or at least develop some policies - the same bloke the electorate ousted for having committed a criminal offence with his expenses (described by the Tory party chairman as 'a mistake') still managed to get 12000+ votes.  Still, I suppose if we're happy to vote criminals into parliament they will at least fit in rather well.

If it wasn't so serious, it would be really funny, a farce in fact.        It would be interesting to hear what supporters of Jeremy Corbyn think about the result and the Labour Party's future

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« Reply #1006 on: August 02, 2019, 04:45:50 PM »
From Wiki, it looks as if B&R was actually a Labour seat from 1939 to 1979 when it was won by the Tory, Tom Hooson. The Lib Dem presence seems a little patchy with Tories and LDs both chalking up similar periods since Labour lost. Labour's gradual reduction could be mainly due to the decline in industry and mining at the Ystradgynlais end and demographic changes generally.

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Re: National politics
« Reply #1007 on: August 02, 2019, 04:50:16 PM »
Nothing to do with the Jeremy Corbyn factor then Cambrian?

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« Reply #1008 on: August 02, 2019, 05:05:10 PM »
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From Wiki, it looks as if B&R was actually a Labour seat from 1939 to 1979 when it was won by the Tory, Tom Hooson. The Lib Dem presence seems a little patchy with Tories and LDs both chalking up similar periods since Labour lost. Labour's gradual reduction could be mainly due to the decline in industry and mining at the Ystradgynlais end and demographic changes generally.

Pretty sure it was demographics that changed the vote, but over the period 1970 - today Labour won three times (once in two elections only months apart), the Tories won 5 times but the Lib Dems have held the seat during 7 general elections.

But at a time when the Tory candidate was a convicted criminal, the Tories themselves have been waging all kinds of civil war and Labour has been busily imploding and largely rudderless I would have expected any other party to do better. It says a lot about Corbyn - mostly bad.
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Ian

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Re: National politics
« Reply #1009 on: September 04, 2019, 08:15:19 AM »
Well, Guto Bebb is no longer in the Tory party, the hypocritical clown Johnson having thrown him out of the party.  I can't remember any previous time in UK politics that has been as bad as it is now.
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Re: National politics
« Reply #1010 on: September 04, 2019, 12:32:39 PM »
If it wasn't so serious it would be quite funny really.       If there is a General Election who do you vote for, the loony right or the loony left?

At least Screaming Lord Sutch was honest and admitted representing  the Monster Raving Loony Party

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« Reply #1011 on: September 05, 2019, 09:17:15 PM »
I posted on this forum, around 9 months before the 2016 referendum, that we would have little or no information to base our voting decisions on.
It actually turned out worse than that, we were confronted with blatant lies.

Having established that fact, there should have been another referendum, for that reason alone.

Now, as we career into ever deeper chaos, if they ran the referendum again, I don’t think we are any closer to understanding what the heck we would be bringing about by voting either way.
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Ian

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Re: National politics
« Reply #1012 on: September 06, 2019, 08:40:43 AM »
I suspect you're right.  Einstein once said “Nationalism is an infantile disease. It’s the measles of humanity" and he was absolutely right. Perhaps as a species we might grow up - eventually.
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Re: National politics
« Reply #1013 on: September 06, 2019, 11:57:20 AM »
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Priceless.
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Re: National politics
« Reply #1014 on: September 06, 2019, 07:46:12 PM »
My final ever Brexit comment...
Seeing as we seem incapable of reaching a decision, on 31st October, our EU colleagues should take the decision out of our hands, and BOOT us out of the EU.
And I’m saying that as a Remainer!
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Ian

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Re: National politics
« Reply #1015 on: September 11, 2019, 09:35:21 AM »

This morning on BBC Andrea Leadsome was interviewed. The interviewer specifically asked her about the reversal of the EU student rule, which May had enacted when Home Secretary.

She started her response by stating ‘When we’re out of the EU and can take back control of our immigration…”.

There were several things wrong with that initial response; we have always controlled our own immigration, the change wasn’t made with EU citizens in mind, and her response had nothing whatsoever to do with the question.

The interviewer, aware she was merely choosing to make a party political statement instead of answering the question posed, pushed her to answer the original question.

She then started talking about the wonderful future leaving would afford everyone, still avoiding answering the question she was asked, claiming that the UK government was the ‘most open in the world’.

But the interviewer then interjected (if he hadn’t, the entire slot would have been taken by Leadsome doing nothing but making a party political broadcast on behalf of the Brexit party) and challenged her on that point, arguing that the government wasn’t warning businesses about the potential dangers.

She then made an almost unbelievable statement: she said it wasn’t a good idea to tell people about the worst possible scenario, using the analogy that she could get run over on leaving the studio.

Those who dislike what they perceive as ‘rudeness’ of interviewers interrupting politicians should watch that interview again and again, until they see exactly why we need an intelligent, probing, free media to expose the appalling duplicity and evasiveness of the average cabinet member.

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Ian

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Re: National politics
« Reply #1016 on: September 11, 2019, 05:56:56 PM »
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Re: National politics
« Reply #1017 on: September 11, 2019, 06:12:57 PM »
That's very comforting         &shake&

It's turning into a mad mad world

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Re: National politics
« Reply #1018 on: September 11, 2019, 06:54:14 PM »
Yes Ian we watched and the wife shouting at the Tv ,, answer the question will you 😡

Ian

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Re: National politics
« Reply #1019 on: September 12, 2019, 08:51:02 AM »
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“Nothing is so firmly believed as that which we least know.”   ― Michel de Montaigne

Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes.