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Offline FatAndy

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Re: Obstacles to Tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #135 on: July 17, 2013, 03:46:53 pm »
I suppose what I have seen this evening must be deemed an obstacle to tourism.

This evening, we enjoyed a family meal at the Afon Conwy on Glan Conwy corner.

There must be around 100 families of visitors staying in the Premier Inn next door every evening.


I think my concern would be that 100 families of visitors booked into a hotel that according to Premier Inn's website is in Llandudno only to find themselves stranded five miles away with only a petrol station for entertainment  :o.
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Re: Obstacles to Tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #136 on: July 18, 2013, 01:24:02 am »
More about it here:

http://casualsunited.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/llandudno-demo-postponed-edl/

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More like, "A blog for hooligans too old to be hooligans anymore"


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Re: Obstacles to Tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #137 on: July 18, 2013, 01:31:43 am »
Nice one Dave, Halewood Chains is a gang from my youth, if you watch LFC games you will also see a banner from my old pub, now sadly knocked down but the legend lives on, The Leather Bottle.

I remember chasing you down Walton Breck Road Alan.   $bounce$

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Re: Obstacles to Tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #138 on: July 18, 2013, 01:35:57 am »
I suppose what I have seen this evening must be deemed an obstacle to tourism.

This evening, we enjoyed a family meal at the Afon Conwy on Glan Conwy corner.

There must be around 100 families of visitors staying in the Premier Inn next door every evening.


I think my concern would be that 100 families of visitors booked into a hotel that according to Premier Inn's website is in Llandudno only to find themselves stranded five miles away with only a petrol station for entertainment  :o.

They could always go to Cineworld in "Llandudno" http://www.cineworld.co.uk/cinemas/llandudno/information

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Re: Obstacles to Tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #139 on: July 18, 2013, 07:03:32 pm »
Nice one Dave, Halewood Chains is a gang from my youth, if you watch LFC games you will also see a banner from my old pub, now sadly knocked down but the legend lives on, The Leather Bottle.

I remember chasing you down Walton Breck Road Alan.   $bounce$

These colours don't run  8)
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Re: Obstacles to Tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #140 on: July 19, 2013, 04:53:24 am »
Nice one Dave, Halewood Chains is a gang from my youth, if you watch LFC games you will also see a banner from my old pub, now sadly knocked down but the legend lives on, The Leather Bottle.

I remember chasing you down Walton Breck Road Alan.   $bounce$

These colours don't run  8)

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Re: Obstacles to Tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #141 on: August 06, 2013, 02:08:25 am »
In recognition of this, the  General Manager of Llandudno Pier, Simon Mason, has this week been making a direct attempt to divert coaches from the coach park, and to drop off their passengers near the Pier
In fairness, he has suggested that rather than all coaches drop off at the pier, there could be a fairer system whereby some coaches come to the pier, some to Gloddaeth St and others to the coach park.  (Perhaps other places too)
« Last Edit: August 06, 2013, 08:46:28 am by DaveR »

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Re: Obstacles to Tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #142 on: August 06, 2013, 06:03:08 am »
Interesting, but why the links to shoe adverts?  ???
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Re: Obstacles to Tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #143 on: August 06, 2013, 06:33:29 am »
I wonder if CCBC will allow the owners of the Summit Café, Bodafon Farm and the West Shore Café to do something similar.

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Re: Obstacles to Tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #144 on: August 06, 2013, 08:46:03 am »
MacMillan is a spambot, I doubt you'll get much sense out of it.  :laugh:

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« Reply #145 on: August 07, 2013, 12:13:26 am »
MacMillan is a spambot, I doubt you'll get much sense out of it.  :laugh:

...or the GM of Llandudno Pier.  :laugh: :laugh:
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Offline Jonty Hammers

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Re: Obstacles to Tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #146 on: August 07, 2013, 02:17:55 pm »
Llandudno's damned to a rather peculiar fate. Forced to advertise itself as a seaside resort, because that's the reputation it's built up in the past century or so; but thanks to mishandling of sea defenses, the beach which is supposed the prime location in the town doesn't actually have much in the way of a...er...beach. (ADDENDUM - Alright - it has West Shore. Can't knock that, as it is a fairly lovely beach. But the town built up its reputation around the North Shore, and therein lies the rub.)

The apparent gap has been decorated with all the usual bits and bobs associated with seaside resorts, from donkeys to deckchairs, but it's a ludicrous and rather saddening situation when hundreds of visitors are corralled into the relatively small stretch of sand between the pier and the slipway.

Have to say I'm personally more fond of "the beach" (rock-pools; the occasional glimpse of sea-life; surfers etc) rather than "the seaside";  made up of candy-floss; the wurbling of Hammond Organs; straw hats; and screaming gulls if you ask me! In any case, the old Blackpool model no longer draws the crowds like it used to. Llandudno, Rhyl and Colwyn Bay all chased that prize, but the old adage of "it all went down hill when package holidays became cheap" still stands.

I've always tried to stress that Llandudno keeps trying to please the elderly when - forgive me for being brutally frank - that market cannot last forever. The people who came here during the 40s/50s and enjoyed summer holidays here are dwindling. And I'm terrified it'll start to resort to tackiness in a bid to keep people here. 

And there's probably already been a decent bit of chatter about it on the forum, but has anyone else seen that report by the Centre for Social Justice, covering the problems faced by seaside resorts throughout the UK? Makes an example of Rhyl as having gone downhill largely because the old hotels and guest houses made GREAT multiple-occupancy housing, attracting large amounts of pensioners and people of low-income. This has a knock-on effect on the following generations and is then difficult to get out of.

The only buffer Llandudno has is its large number of still-operating hotels and guest houses, and employers like the shops, large and small alike. Not to mention the fact that Rhyl, and to a lesser extent, Colwyn Bay, are there to "absorb" (awful word, I know!) the amount of people coming from the North-West down the coast. Once said buffer goes, that's it. Prepare for the downward spiral.

But that same report mentions how towns like Brighton and Eastbourne (or was it Bournemouth? A case of Bourne identities, eh? ???) have survived by - and this is the kicker - FOCUSING ON OTHER SECTORS. Llandudno risks a death by throwing the vast part of its eggs into a big resort-shaped basket. I visited Brighton with the family a while back and it's impressive what they've done there.

I'm not suggesting we ignore the resort part of the Llandudno cake as it's obviously important, but more needs to be done to help shops; small businesses; big businesses etc. Attracting private investment form a large firm would do Llandudno no harm at all.

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Re: Obstacles to Tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #147 on: August 07, 2013, 04:13:19 pm »
The apparent gap has been decorated with all the usual bits and bobs associated with seaside resorts, from donkeys to deckchairs, but it's a ludicrous and rather saddening situation when hundreds of visitors are corralled into the relatively small stretch of sand between the pier and the slipway.

Sand?  :D

Isn't that Wrexs' favorite spot?

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Re: Obstacles to Tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #148 on: August 07, 2013, 05:04:11 pm »
Jonty said.
I visited Brighton with the family a while back and it's impressive what they've done there.

Wrex would go mad there, unless they have replaced all the pebble beach with sand!    Buckets and spades are a no go in Brighton.  It is however famous for its variety of life!    ;)
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Offline DaveR

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Re: Obstacles to Tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #149 on: August 07, 2013, 05:55:13 pm »
I've always tried to stress that Llandudno keeps trying to please the elderly when - forgive me for being brutally frank - that market cannot last forever. The people who came here during the 40s/50s and enjoyed summer holidays here are dwindling.
Do people no longer get older then, Jonty? People are living longer and longer, and as they get older, they will all want somewhere pleasant with a gentler pace of life to go to on holiday. Enter the Queen of the Welsh Resorts. The early retired (50+) group is probably the most affluent in society; these are the people we need to attract.

The CFSJ report is here, if anyone would like to read it:
http://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/UserStorage/pdf/Pdf%20reports/Turning-the-Tide.pdf