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What do you think should be the way forward for the Pier Pavilion site?

Modern design, as put forward by Mr Waldron, featuring restaurants, apartments etc
4 (6.1%)
Recreation of original Pier Pavilion design, but with leisure and entertainment facilities inside
50 (75.8%)
Larger version of original design, with leisure, entertainment and apartments included
8 (12.1%)
Leave site empty for another 20 years
4 (6.1%)

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Offline DaveR

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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #75 on: August 31, 2011, 10:26:34 pm »
The Design Panel report on the proposals for the Pier Pavilion site has recently been made available via an FOI Request (see Report Link below). As is to be expected, the owners' proposals for the site (a 200 bedroom hotel rising up to the height of the Grand Hotel) are pretty horrifying and the Panel said just that, having 'serious concerns' about both the design and scale of the development. Once again, it is very clear that the Owner of the site has no regard whatsoever for Llandudno and the only solution is for a CPO to enable CBBC to take the site from him and develop it in a more sensitive manner. Unless of course, Llandudno's Mayor, Mr Robbins, sorts out the issue himself as he promised some months ago.  :roll:  :laugh:


Full Report:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/81703/response/206054/attach/2/Pier%20Pavilion%20Llandudno%20Design%20Review%20report%20CON%20240311.pdf

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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #76 on: August 31, 2011, 10:37:08 pm »
Its a very dismissive report.

It intrisically calls the application 'unprofessional'
Without any schematics or diagrams to support the proposal, then it most certainly is.

We are no further forward.
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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #77 on: September 15, 2011, 10:59:17 am »
Calls for Llandudno's pier pavilion site to be revived
Sep 15 2011 By Judith Philips

FEARS that an opportunity to develop Llandudno’s long standing eyesore Pier Pavilion site may have been lost have been expressed.

And a call has been made for politicians to intervene after a proposal to build a 200-bed hotel for a major hotel chain on the land received a setback.

A development company had apparently been in negotiation with Conwy County Council planners for 18 months about the project.

But in March, because the site falls within the Grade 2 protected building listing of the pier, they showed their outline plans to the Design Commission for Wales Review Panel who said it couldn’t approve the project because there was insufficient detail.

A report issued as a result of a Freedom of Information request from a member of the public says: "The panel thought the material presented was premature and lacked the information and analysis necessary to agree parameters with the local authority and inform the subsequent design."

And went on: "There is nothing in the material provided which refers to the particular character of Llandudno. Any references to large global leisure complexes are negative in this sensitive context." However it says the panel was not opposed to hotel development on the site but says it had concerns about the concept presented to them.

"There was nothing in the images presented to suggest that this development is located in Llandudno. It is in fact more suggestive of an international hotel anywhere which is not appropriate ion this context," it added. And called for a fundamental reappraisal of the plans before they were re-submitted to it.

But Llandudno’s mayor Greg Robbins said he hoped the developers hadn’t been deterred by the setback.
"This site has been an eyesore for far too long, and I welcome any plans to develop it provided they are sensitively designed to blend in with the conservation area. "After 17 years it is long past the time when this site should have been developed and I think every effort should be made to ensure that people who come up with projects like this are not discouraged. " I call on our Assembly member and MP to intervene and perhaps liaise between the developers and the planners to try to take this project forward."

Aberconwy Assembly member, Janet Finch-Saunders attended the Design Review Panel meeting in her capacity as a Conwy county councillor and said the developers appeared visibly disappointed when told to go back to the drawing board.
She commented: "My late mother was the mayor of Llandudno at the time of the fire which destroyed the Pier Pavilion and I would never have thought that 17 years later we would have an empty site that is such an eyesore.

"Having spoken to the landowner’s representative some time ago I know they are very keen themselves to see this area developed, and I would urge Conwy County Borough Council to do their utmost to continue with an open dialogue and discussions in order that this site can be redeveloped for the future prosperity of Llandudno. "I am most keen to work with both parties on this."

Attempts by the Weekly News to contact the developers DP Development or the site’s owners proved unsuccessful.

http://www.northwalesweeklynews.co.uk/conwy-county-news/local-conwy-news/2011/09/15/calls-for-llandudno-s-pier-pavilion-site-to-be-revived-55243-29427846/

Yep, so keen, they've left it derelict for 17 years.  :laugh:

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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #78 on: September 15, 2011, 08:23:48 pm »
Yes.... I too am keen to see the site revitalised, and developed.

But not at any cost, and not just a bland hotel.  So the developers were visibly disappointed when their proposal got the boot? Well it can't have been good enough, and the town, and that particular iconic part of town deserves something a little special.

My guess is that they spent very little time, money, research or energy on this proposal.
We would surely have heard more about it if they had?
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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #79 on: September 15, 2011, 09:06:15 pm »
Indeed. The angle in the Weekly News was that the Design Commission For Wales had somehow blocked this exciting plan to redevelop the Pier Pavilion site, which was very unfair. The design was absolutely hideous according to the Report and would have been an even bigger eyesore than the Pavilion site is now. There was not a a chance in hell that it would have received Planning Permission. One has to wonder if the Developers/Architects have even visited Llandudno before coming up with the design?

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« Reply #80 on: September 27, 2011, 12:32:34 pm »
For sheer hilarity, take a look at the architects impression of a hotel proposed for the Pier Pavilion site:

"This limited architectural competition called for the design of a new 110 bedroom four star Hotel and Leisure facility, complete with car parking  and retail areas for separate letting, on the former site of the Pier  Pavilion in Llandudno. This unique and historic site called for a true landmark building. To this end we propose an unashamedly striking and modern building comprising three principal components; a fully interactive three storey public 'Plinth' above which sits a series of guest 'Pavilions' which respond to the individual aspects of shore, mountain and city and mimic the nature of the Victorian establishments surrounding them. Finally a unique and dynamic 'Shard’ which appears to break out of the hill side behind provides a distinctive long range signature / beacon for the building"

http://www.mcscomputers.net/~kka/katalog/files/KKA_Pier%20Pavilion%20Lladudno.pdf

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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #81 on: September 27, 2011, 05:32:17 pm »
 might blend in with Venue Cymru

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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #82 on: September 27, 2011, 05:43:24 pm »
it would stand out like a sore thumb

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« Reply #83 on: September 27, 2011, 07:21:24 pm »
Sore thumb................ _))* more like severed head

Can you imagine......dreadful.  :o
It made me laugh though Dave
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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #84 on: September 27, 2011, 09:07:41 pm »
Ridiculous  :o  Surely this would never be allowed would it ????

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« Reply #85 on: September 27, 2011, 11:17:52 pm »
It would also wipe out about 15 of the Pier kiosks.... Hmmm.  ?{}? ?{}?
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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #86 on: September 30, 2011, 08:23:08 pm »
It would also wipe out about 15 of the Pier kiosks.... Hmmm.  ?{}? ?{}?
The kiosks across the front of the former Pavilion entrance should not be there anyway, there is a restrictive covenant that says access to the pier must be kept clear.

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Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #87 on: January 09, 2012, 11:38:56 pm »
The Pier Pavilion site seems to be turning into a landfill site, surely the rubbish can be cleared and the owner billed?

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« Reply #88 on: January 09, 2012, 11:48:59 pm »
I think it should be purchased on a compulsory basis by CCBC.  They can do it if they put their minds to it.

Failing that, they should clear it every month... to a high standard, and send a punitive bill to Messrs D Taylor of Worcester, who after a short time may feel compelled to sell it!   ;) ;)

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« Reply #89 on: January 09, 2012, 11:50:24 pm »
exactly  $good$
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