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What do you think should be the way forward for the Pier Pavilion site?

Modern design, as put forward by Mr Waldron, featuring restaurants, apartments etc
4 (6.1%)
Recreation of original Pier Pavilion design, but with leisure and entertainment facilities inside
50 (75.8%)
Larger version of original design, with leisure, entertainment and apartments included
8 (12.1%)
Leave site empty for another 20 years
4 (6.1%)

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Offline SteveH

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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #720 on: September 06, 2017, 10:32:56 am »
Fresh twist in controversial £15m Llandudno Pier Pavilion development saga.

A statement from CREU and Mr Waldron said: “CREU are currently undertaking a detailed review of the pavilion site proposals in order to ensure they represent the most appropriate architectural response to the unique character of this location and historic context.

“In parallel, a heritage and significance assessment will aim to demonstrate how the design can be justified against all relevant policy and guidance.”

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/fresh-twist-controversial-15m-llandudno-13577929

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« Reply #721 on: September 06, 2017, 11:22:34 am »
I understand that the Planning Application will not now be considered until November. Will be interesting to see what changes are made to the original submitted design.


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« Reply #722 on: September 06, 2017, 11:24:57 am »
And I wonder if the 'new' design will not have been sitting in the architect's offices simply waiting until the furore abut the original hideous design died down.  Not exactly a novel ploy.
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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #723 on: September 06, 2017, 11:29:17 am »
Exclusive look at the new design:

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« Reply #724 on: September 06, 2017, 11:29:56 am »
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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #725 on: September 06, 2017, 04:55:45 pm »
And I wonder if the 'new' design will not have been sitting in the architect's offices simply waiting until the furore abut the original hideous design died down.  Not exactly a novel ploy.

He'll be putting his plans on Christmas Cards next to try and brainwash us. Ahhh...

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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #726 on: September 06, 2017, 05:19:48 pm »
My interpretation of the article in The Post...

Mr Waldron has been informed by planning Chiefs that his current plans will not get approval. So he is having to revise them.

 :P WWW :twoface:

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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #727 on: October 26, 2017, 11:38:12 am »
Mr Waldron has just resubmitted his revised planning application for the Pier Pavilion site. 0/43784 and 0/43785.

This time its only for 49 apartments, commercial (A3) floorspace and related access and parking........ &shake&
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« Reply #728 on: October 26, 2017, 06:54:30 pm »
Because it's a new application if anyone disagrees with the application they need to write in again to CCBC  with their objections.   The previous applications will not be counted as I understand it

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« Reply #730 on: October 27, 2017, 02:27:17 pm »
What I find so astonishing is how most people will be duped by this tactic. It's pretty obvious that the first design was merely to anticipate all the anger, so this design - almost certainly the original, anyway  - will appear that much better by comparison. It's the oldest trick in the book and yet he'll probably get away with it.
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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #731 on: October 27, 2017, 03:14:46 pm »
Using photographs from different angles does not improve the design, and I love this......

*.Using a site-specific design assessment methodology the scale and massing of the new proposal has a profile that is more forgiving to the context of the site and the sweep of the bay.

“The elevational treatment of the proposed development is dominated by a three-storey central structure which runs parallel to the existing properties and extends across the front of the development, articulating a modern vertical rhythm influenced by the architecture of the bay and the pier extending out to the sea

“The public realm has been enhanced with the introduction of an open meeting and destination space at the heart of the building linking the pier level and Happy Valley road to revive the site’s historic heritage in the spirit of the former pavilion.”*       _))*

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« Reply #732 on: October 27, 2017, 03:54:07 pm »

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« Reply #733 on: October 27, 2017, 03:58:32 pm »
linking the pier level and Happy Valley road to revive the site’s historic heritage

Except the attitude of the developer means he won't have any access to the pier and the public will be met by the back of the pier's retail units.

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Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site
« Reply #734 on: October 27, 2017, 04:05:24 pm »
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/fresh-llandudno-pier-pavilion-images-13819322#ICID=nsm

I see from the video clip Waldren hasn't grasped the fact he dose'nt have access onto the Pier any more. It's privately owned and he has no right of way, to use it.  &shake&
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