Poll

What do you think should be the way forward for the Pier Pavilion site?

Modern design, as put forward by Mr Waldron, featuring restaurants, apartments etc
3 (5.4%)
Recreation of original Pier Pavilion design, but with leisure and entertainment facilities inside
42 (75%)
Larger version of original design, with leisure, entertainment and apartments included
7 (12.5%)
Leave site empty for another 20 years
4 (7.1%)

Total Members Voted: 56

Author Topic: Re: Llandudno's Pier Pavilion redevelopment site  (Read 169128 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Hugo

  • Ad Free Member
  • *
Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #60 on: July 30, 2011, 01:57:55 PM »
That's really depressing news but not totally unexpected.   CCBC need to get their act together and the Councillors acting for this ward should be asking serious questions now!

dwsi

  • Member
Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #61 on: July 30, 2011, 02:21:57 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
That's really depressing news but not totally unexpected.   CCBC need to get their act together and the Councillors acting for this ward should be asking serious questions now!

as well as the AM's and the MP

dwsi

  • Member
Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #62 on: July 30, 2011, 04:30:46 PM »
more info on the council meeting this week about the pier pavillion site You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Hugo

  • Ad Free Member
  • *
Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #63 on: July 30, 2011, 05:16:47 PM »
That's good stuff and very interesting reading Dwsi but I'm afraid that Para 10.2 sums it all up.  It's going nowhere.
If the owner has not co-operated after 17 years he is not likely to do so now especially in this economic climate.
Surely there is someone some where who is competent to sort out the uncooperative owner of the site.
The site has been enclosed for more than 12 years so can't someone claim it?
There are ways and means to sort out even the most complicated mess and the owner should be penalised for this and certainly not rewarded in any way but this should have been done in the 90's not at this late date.

Ian Ralph

  • Member
Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #64 on: July 30, 2011, 05:41:11 PM »
Whats the rules on Squatting? I am sure I heard someone in llandulas stayed at an empty site tidied it and subsequently claimed ownership ( I was drinking at the time). If such an action was possible with the owner ignoring the site we could all take turns at babysitting the squat and then claim ownership.... I have heard dafter ideas.

Ian

  • Administrator
Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #65 on: July 30, 2011, 05:51:57 PM »
Not sure, but I think you have to gain entry without damaging anything then occupy the place for seven years.
“Nothing is so firmly believed as that which we least know.”   ― Michel de Montaigne

Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes.

Pendragon

  • Member
Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #66 on: July 30, 2011, 06:26:10 PM »
Taken from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

If the land squatted on is unregistered, the old law continues to apply: a squatter needs to prove continuous possession of the land for at least 12 years in a manner that was intended to keep out the true owner and give the impression that the claimant is the owner. In order to do this the squatter can apply to the Land Registry to be registered with possessory title to that land.  The circumstances relied on in support of the claim will be set out in a Statutory Declaration sworn by the squatter. This sets out full particulars of the period over which the squatting has taken place, details of the use the squatter has made of the land over that period and of action taken by the squatter to show intention to "take over" the land (e.g. putting up a fence).

You have to be unchallenged for 12 years to claim a site.  However new legislation is now being drawn up with effect from next spring.

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Only hindsight has 20/20 vision
Angiegram - A romantic notion derived from the more mundane truth.

Truth is, everybody is going to hurt you; you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for." -Bob Marley



Fester

  • Ad Free Member.
  • *
  • El Baldito
Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #67 on: July 30, 2011, 11:43:59 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
BBC News - Llandudno pier: No development for 'eyesore' pavilion You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

That article is a disgrace, and a total waste of time... in other words a non-story.
They might as well report. 'Glenn Miller is Still Missing''   .... or 'Elvis is still Dead.'

Why is no mention made of Compulsory Purchase?, if they say it is such an important site?

It can't be important, otherwise something would be continually happening, and pressure would be brought to bear on the so called 'owner'

Even local luminaries such as J Lawson-Reay and the ineffective David Williams can't think of anything better than grassing it over.  :o
No one cares, so they might as well stop wasting time reporting it, and our new Mayor should save his breath pretending he can sort it out in his year of office.

Fester...
- Semper in Excretum, Sole Profundum Variat -

Yorkie

  • Member
Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #68 on: July 31, 2011, 09:02:29 AM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Even local luminaries such as J Lawson-Reay and the ineffective David Williams can't think of anything better than grassing it over.  :o

No one cares, so they might as well stop wasting time reporting it, and our new Mayor should save his breath pretending he can sort it out in his year of office.

Maybe grassing it over is a good idea, it can then be turned into a camp site for itinerant travellers .   Watch them spring into action then!    D)

Now if you were thinking of building a pub on the site, the Mayor's enthusiasm would probably increase a thousandfold - but - he would still be unable to have any effect on the development!    L0L

Wise men have something to say.
Fools have to say something.
Cicero

wrex

  • Ad Free Member
  • *
Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #69 on: July 31, 2011, 10:19:15 AM »
  :( How did Colwyn Bay manage to get CCBC to buy the pier yet ignore the Pier Pavilion site in Llandudno.I think the reason CCBC have decided to take the pier on is because they are spending millions on Colwyn Bay prom they realise this mess would still be standing in the middle of all the new .

Hugo

  • Ad Free Member
  • *
Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #70 on: July 31, 2011, 12:56:09 PM »
If a highly paid lawyer has enough knowledge of loopholes in the law to get a football manager off a charge of driving on the hard shoulder of a motorway because the manager has got an alleged dose of the trots, surely there is someone out there with enough planning knowledge to get around this obstacle with the present owner of the Pier Pavillion sorted out.
Order to repair notices, compulsary purchase notices, squatters rights and enclosure acts have all been suggested and somewhere amongst the suggestions must be an answer to this problem. It just can't go on and on and someone in authority must take the initiative and take some action to resolve this matter once and for all.

DaveR

  • Administrator
Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #71 on: July 31, 2011, 05:15:10 PM »
I note the conclusion in the Pier Pavilion Report:

"To seek endorsement of continued officer efforts to promote the
evolution of appropriate re-development proposals for the site.
Without the owner co-operation, even if Planning and Listed Building
Consent are eventually granted for the site, there are few
mechanisms available to secure implementation of a scheme other
than by private sector investment. The intervention of the Council
under Listed Building powers is not practicable and any direct
intervention (such as by way of compulsory purchase) would require
prior planning permission, Listed Building Consent, resource
allocation and extensive procedural processes.
At present there are
no clear funding sources that could assist in facilitating Council
intervention or the development of the site by a private owner."

Given the above, it's seemingly amazing how any Compulsory Purchase ever goes though. But, of course, they do, on a regular basis. In the past, the WDA have offered to intervene using their own powers to break the deadlock - why was their offer not taken up? If CCBC was a business, they would have gone bankrupt years ago, such is their inefficiency.

Yorkie

  • Member
Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #72 on: July 31, 2011, 05:22:52 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

 If CCBC was a business, they would have gone bankrupt years ago, such is their inefficiency.

Are they, in fact, solvent?  Or is it only massive borrowing that is keeping the services (almost) running?   WWW
Wise men have something to say.
Fools have to say something.
Cicero

dwsi

  • Member
Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #73 on: August 02, 2011, 08:51:43 PM »
Llandudno Pier Pavilion theatre eyesore ‘should be grassed over’ - Daily Post  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Merddin Emrys

  • Ad Free Member
  • *
Re: Llandudno's Biggest Eyesore....the Pier Pavilion site
« Reply #74 on: August 19, 2011, 05:02:29 PM »
I've just posted the Pier Pavilion site on fix my street, I doubt anything will happen, but worth a go!

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
A pigeon is for life not just Christmas