David, you should have lived in Kinmel Bay around about (time flies) say 7 or 8 years. The Police were called out at least three separate occasions to local council meetings. On at least one occasion it involved a Councillor and his own son, both of whom where on the council. I remember reading about it in the press, the son shouting something like Councillor sh--b-- and such like language. The main Councillor, the Father, has since sadly died. I knew him well for over forty years. Another son was on the Council in Rhyl, it must have run in the blood. Apparantly some of the members were actually fearing physical assault, or so they claimed