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Offline Ian

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Re: Public Transport
« Reply #105 on: October 09, 2019, 12:36:32 pm »
In keeping with the way we've learned that our political lords and masters do things, be warned that the online application form is one of the most badly thought-out sites I've seen in a long time.

It's billed as  an 'easy online application process' so let's see..,.

1. The first part requires the existing pass number to be inserted.  Fair enough, I thought, so started typing in the numbers.  As soon as you input the first number a message in red appears:

The Existing Welsh Concessionary Travel Card Number * field format is invalid.

Being in red and using the word 'invalid' is enough to scare most computer users with little experience. And it's wrong. Because whomever programmed it set it to respond to the first number.

Doesn't matter that it was the correct first number of the nineteen digit pass number. The red warning message doesn't disappear until the entire 19 digits have been inserted. Almost unbelievable but sadly all too common.

2. The form then asks for your postcode and finally, your DOB. Press 'submit' and

3. A new page appears saying:

"Good news! We’ve found your old card details. Where we can verify your name and address, we've copied them into this page"

Great, I thought;  saves typing in the address, etc. How wrong I was...

Naturally, one ignores the next bit which starts with "If some details are missing, it may be that we couldn't verify the original card details against current Government records. Please:" because the form has already confirmed they've found all your details. Remember? It said

We’ve found your old card details.

so we skip this and go down to the next relevant instruction. 

4. You'll need:

    Your National Insurance number
    A recent council tax bill containing the name of your local council
    A digital passport-style photograph of yourself


It beats me how they can actually pay someone to produce stuff as wildly inaccurate and unhelpful as this tripe. You actually only need one of the three items we're told we'll need. It's the NI number. Nowhere do you need a council tax bill, nowhere do you need a photo.

The reason you don't need those is because we clicked - at the outset - on the link which stated

To renew an old style Welsh over-60 concessionary travel pass
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So they've already got your photo. And the only other thing they need is your local council's name.  Can there seriously be anyone who doesn't know the local council's name? In any case the instructions - again - are wrong.  All they needed to state was you need the name of your local council.

5. Just when you're convinced this journey through incompetence and bad planning can't get any worse, your hopes are dashed as we come to the Cardholder Information section.

Now, remember way back in the mists of time when the page you're still marooned on stated

Good news! We’ve found your old card details. Where we can verify your name and address, we've copied them into this page"

well, turns out they haven't. You have to fill in the address details which they claimed to have found and copied onto the page all by yourself.

Now, if you're desperately seeking a crumb of comfort in the hope it will read your postcode and allow a pre-programmed list of addresses to appear - think again.

As I started to insert the address a list appeared... It searched on the first letter of our house name and produced five possible addresses - in Abergele, Swansea, Porthmadog, Botswana and Russia. Well, perhaps not the last two, but you see the utter incompetence of this process.

Having then stumbled, cursing, through the address filled completion marathon, any hopes you're getting somewhere are cruelly quelled by the NI No. insertion field.

They need this, apparently, to weed out scammers, fraudsters, terrorists  and members of the Klu Klux Clan.  So you start to insert the number and guess what?

The National Insurance Number field format is invalid.

appears as you type in the first number.

For those who don't know about programming a database to reject invalid formats, it's really pretty easy to do well. To display the red message as the first number is typed in is simply lazy and bad programming.

6. Finally, you're given the opportunity to provide a landline No., a Mobile No. and an email address.  And just to prove that no one with an IQ above room temperature actually checked the form, the same gormless programming emerges as you insert the first character in any field.

The Mobile Phone Number field format is invalid.

7. Just to show the fun never starts, after pressing submit (if you've resisted the urge to throw the computer through the upstairs window whilst considering inventive ways to garotte the programmer with the keyboard lead) you're taken to the photo page where it starts with this:

Photo

You'll need a passport quality photo clearly showing your face so that drivers can recognise you easily.

As you start to wonder why the word 'easy' and 'this form' ever appeared in the same sentence you- decide, out of some futile hope, to read down the page.

Surprise.  There - around two thirds of the page down - is your photo.  And already pre-ticked is the option to

Use the photo from my previous pass.

Now, you would be forgiven for thinking that anyone who'd ever completed a form anywhere in their entire life would know to put the important information at the top.  So it's the first thing the applicant reads.

Not, it appears, in the convoluted and mendacious minds of those who design online forms for Transport for Wales, it seems. No - making it the last option is clearly going to confuse far more people so there'll be lots of incomplete applications and frustrated would be travellers. Far more fun.

8. Next comes a very odd page.  It offers to print any first name you want on your card. It might even cross the mind to ask them to print 'whoeverdidthisformisanidiot' as your first name.

9. The next page is for you to register how you want to be contacted by the WA, TFW, CCBC, the bloke down the road and so on.  Just to prove the incompetents haven't been sleeping on the job, the final amusing confirmation of idiocy appears when you choose to reject all communications from all sources and simply click on 'submit'.

A dreaded red message appears demanding you select which language you don't want to be contacted in. 

That's right.  You've rejected all the communications options, yet it still wants to know what language not to send you anything in. Perhaps they're developing telepathy?

Now it may seem amusing, and to anyone who knows and understands moronic programming it's easy enough to deal with. But a lot of folk aren't computer savvy. A lot of folk will assume because it's from an official body it must be right, despite the form being littered with inaccuracies.

They were sufficiently stupid not to allow for the massive demand initially, so it crashed the servers. Now on the relaunched site they post this travesty of an online aplication process which wouldn't gain a grade 1 in the new GCSE grades.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2019, 02:03:47 pm by Ian »
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Re: Public Transport
« Reply #106 on: October 09, 2019, 01:32:35 pm »
 _))*  Apart from the enjoyment of reading the above, my gratitude for the explanation, I would have suffered.........and the computer sends its thanks.

PS all done, TA


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Re: Public Transport
« Reply #107 on: October 09, 2019, 04:55:58 pm »
Simple solution - do what I've done for my wife (renewal) and myself (new application) ... print off the form ... fill it in using block capitals ... get two copies of everything they ask for ... put in envelope ... address it ... stick a stamp in it ... drop into post box.

... a whole lot simpler !!!

I suspect that the online form was designed by someone who never has to use it - so often the case these days - it's called progress!

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Re: Public Transport
« Reply #108 on: October 23, 2019, 12:33:01 pm »
Arriva announce cut backs ...

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Re: Public Transport
« Reply #109 on: December 17, 2019, 09:52:26 am »
Wales bus pass replacement:    deadline 31 12 19
Transport for Wales say that 30 per cent of holders who've used their passes in the last 12 months have not yet applied
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Renew, Apply for or Manage your Card     https://portal.tfw.wales/en


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Re: Public Transport
« Reply #110 on: January 15, 2020, 10:16:30 am »
Wales bus pass replacement: Third of active holders have not re-applied for Concessionary Travel Card.... there might be confusion over the extended time for the renewal, both the 31st Jan. and Feb. 29th are mentioned....... to clarify I believe the latest you can apply is the 31st Jan allowing four weeks for processing, and allowing use of the old card until 29th Feb.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/wales-bus-pass-replacement-third-17568317

How to apply
Although online applications are the quickest and easiest way of applying, paper applications are also available by calling 0300 303 4240 or by emailing  travelcards@tfw.wales .


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Re: Public Transport.............Arriva bus service changes
« Reply #111 on: April 27, 2020, 03:46:05 pm »
Arriva bus service changes announced as coronavirus forces firm to scrap routes and reduce others
The firm said they have had to make 'difficult decisions' due to the outbreak


Arriva has announced changes to its bus services across North Wales.

Some have been scrapped and others are reduced amid the coronavirus crisis.

Arriva said they had to make "difficult decisions" in the wake of the outbreak.

A spokesman said: "In light of the government's ruling and the lower numbers of people travelling, we can confirm that we have had to reduce the frequency of some services.

"However, we will still be operating our key routes and have lifted the timing restrictions on concessionary passes to ensure customers can continue to access critical services and key workers are kept moving.

Full story and time table changes......

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/arriva-bus-service-changes-announced-18155431

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Re: Public Transport Number 12 bus changes
« Reply #112 on: June 30, 2021, 12:07:38 pm »
A BUS service has been reduced following staff sickness.

Arriva Wales said its number 12 service between Llandudno and Rhyl will operate on limited basis as a result of the staff shortage.

These include the 9.30am bus from Rhyl to Llandudno, 11am from Llandudno to Rhyl, 12pm from Rhyl to Llandudno, 1.45pm from Llandudno to Rhyl, 3pm from Rhyl to Llandudno, 4.45pm from Llandudno to Rhyl, 4.15pm from Rhyl to Llandudno, 6pm from Llandudno to Rhyl, 7.20pm from Rhyl to Llandudno, and 8.30pm from Llandudno to Rhyl.

"Due to increased level of staff sickness the following number 12 services will unfortunately not operate," Arriva Wales said.

"We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause.

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Re: Public Transport..NW Transport Commission Progress Statement January 2023
« Reply #113 on: January 28, 2023, 10:37:05 am »
I came across this link from the WG, North Wales Transport Commission Progress Statement January 2023 lots of information for those interested..........

1. Introduction
The North Wales Transport Commission was established in spring 2022 to assess
the problems, opportunities, challenges and objectives for realising a sustainable
integrated and multi-modal transport system in north Wales.
The Commission is taking a multi-modal approach, looking at all north Wales to
consider how modal shift can be achieved in both urban and rural areas. The
Commission?s remit covers the local authority areas of Anglesey, Gwynedd, Conwy,
Denbighshire, Flintshire and Wrexham.
The Commission is considering interventions in the short, medium and long term to
shift to more sustainable means of travel and freight movement.
We want these improvements to offer viable alternatives to the private car through a
transport system that makes life better for all people in the region, in both urban and
rural areas and supports the region?s journey to net zero.
This progress statement summarises our work to date and explains:
? The progress we have made so far in understanding people?s movements.
? Our views on the transport challenges and what the opportunities are to
improve transport, and
? The transport options within specific areas that support less use of the private
car and enable moves to public transport and active travel.


Full report   https://www.gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2023-01/nwtc-progress-statement-final.pdf



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Re: Public Transport
« Reply #114 on: January 28, 2023, 03:11:37 pm »
I only became aware of this Quango a fortnight ago. It's not quite clear how they are consulting actual transport users on the ground and interesting that the secretariat is in Cathays Park, Cardiff - presumably no room at the WG offices at the Junction ??  The Commissioners bar one seem to have a limited, if any, associations with North Wales and other than a TfW employee none seems to give any indication of using public transport in the area.

The document seems a bit light on the potential tourist traffic which could be generated into Llandudno for example by more through trains from the resort to NW England and the Midlands.

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Re: Public Transport
« Reply #115 on: February 02, 2023, 05:08:55 pm »
If we have trains from the midlands etc it will be like a return to Saturdays in the 1970s when trains from as far as Scarborough were filling 6? platforms at Llandudno station. Next we will be told that boat trains will be running non-stop Chester to Holyhead to enable us to purchase cheap Rover tickets to get to Chester and catch a boat train for the thrill of a non-stop trip along the coast.......happy days!

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Re: Public Transport............Arriva new timetables
« Reply #116 on: January 07, 2024, 09:53:45 am »
Arriva Buses Wales announce new timetables after 20mph limit hit schedules
The bus giant is making changes all across its services for North Wales

Last year one of Wales's biggest bus operators announced that the new 20mph limit is causing "challenging operational conditions". Welsh Government's 20mph limit for most previously 30mph roads in Wales came into force on September 17.

Within 10 days Arriva Wales told North Wales Live it would be forced to review routes and timetables because of slower journeys. They said it has been hitting punctuality on routes and increasing the length of many journeys.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/arriva-buses-wales-announce-new-28393389?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589

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Re: Public Transport
« Reply #117 on: February 01, 2024, 09:58:52 am »
A BUS company has been slammed after cutting a pick-up point from its regular route due to the 20mph speed limit rule.

Arriva has admitted it will no longer pick up residents in the village of Penrhynside, leaving passengers, many of them elderly, stranded.

A public meeting has now been organised, but Aberconwy MS Janet Finch-Saunders has criticised the bus company.

?People can?t walk down from there to Llandudno. We need a bus replacement. We definitely need a better bus service than what we?ve got. We are all annoyed at Arriva for pulling it without consultation with residents and members (Conwy councillors).

https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/24089273.arriva-cuts-conwy-village-bus-route-due-20mph-speed-limit/

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Re: Public Transport
« Reply #118 on: February 01, 2024, 01:11:50 pm »
I seriously wonder how much time would be saved by omitting the simple, short detour via Bryn y Bia Road taken by the 14/15 services. Arriva have previously thought about rationalising the 12/14/15 in that area and the former MD of the Company was quite keen to divert the 12 via Bryn y Bia to give an evening service for Penrhynside.  There were howls from some of the denizens who did not seem to want the hoi polloi briefly glancing into their gardens from the top of double deckers!  Needless to say the denizens were supported by the AM who interceded with the MD and the idea was dropped.

Arriva tried this 20mph argument in Anglesey and following an outcry the route has been reinstated via the village affected.  Interesting to see what happens in this case.

Some years ago, CCBC's Public Transport guy designed an improved road traffic layout for the top of Penrhyn Hill which would have enabled the 12 to stop and serve Penrhynside.  However Welsh Govt would not fund the proposal!