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Re: Llandudno railway station
« Reply #270 on: July 16, 2012, 10:38:25 pm »
Whilst there has been no mention of electrification I have already pointed out that Network Rail are currently installing equipment that should see North Wales resignalled as far as Llandudno Junction by November 2014 & phase II should see it extended to Holyhead by 2019. If you take into account the money spent at Prestatyn, Llandudno Station's imminent redevelopment & plans to redevelop Rhyl station you can hardly say the north is being ignored.
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Re: Llandudno railway station
« Reply #271 on: July 16, 2012, 11:03:26 pm »
plans to redevelop Rhyl station
What...again? It was only a few years ago it was all rebuilt/renovated.


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Re: Llandudno railway station
« Reply #272 on: July 16, 2012, 11:32:13 pm »
plans to redevelop Rhyl station
What...again? It was only a few years ago it was all rebuilt/renovated.


Plans have been drawn up to transform Rhyl's Victorian railway station.

There has been criticism of the appearance and facilities at the station in recent years. Now, Arriva Trains Wales has submitted plans to Denbighshire council to make the station more appealing to visitors.

Work will start when funding has been confirmed by the Welsh government.

The main building, footbridge, canopies and a red telephone box on one platform are protected and Grade II-listed.

The station, which opened in 1848, was once a major artery bringing people and goods into north Wales.

It is also said to have been a catalyst for Rhyl's development as a tourist town in the 19th Century.

However, the application which can be viewed on Denbighshire council's website, concedes that the station has "significantly reduced from its peak".

This expansion of the station facilities reflects the growth of Rhyl as a tourist destination in recent years”
The forecourt, incorporating a new-look bus stand, has recently been redeveloped.
Now, the plan is to "transform Rhyl station to become a true interchange" to provide integration with the bus network and cyclists.

The application points out that extensive regeneration work is going on elsewhere around the town which includes redevelopment of the harbour area as well as demolition of old and rundown properties near the front.

"This expansion of the station facilities shows the growth of Rhyl as a tourist destination in recent years," said the report.

The application has just been formally submitted to Denbighshire council and will be considered by councillors soon.
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Re: Llandudno railway station
« Reply #273 on: July 16, 2012, 11:37:47 pm »
They would be better served getting rid of the drunks and lowlifes that infest the station forecourt.

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Re: Llandudno railway station
« Reply #274 on: July 17, 2012, 08:37:23 am »
It is true that Rhyl had major refurbishment work in the early days of Denbighshire CC so it is not too long ago. I am sure a scheme was also carried out in the 1970s as well when the booking office was remodelled and the buildings on the far platforms were removed.

Turning to Prestatyn, that scheme is one to cater for access issues and funded by DfT.

The signalling scheme is one presumably being done by NR for its own reasons: reducing maintenance and staff costs. No doubt the scheme will omit any provision for Cae Mawr sidings and not address the issue of the offending starting signal at Llandudno's platform 3.

I still think North Wales gets a poor deal when you look at the capital poured into South Wales stations and new lines - even entirely new stations.

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Re: Llandudno railway station
« Reply #275 on: July 17, 2012, 08:59:23 am »
In my opinion, rail electrification of the Crewe - Holyhead railway line warranted priority over the rail electrification of the South Wales Valleys.

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Re: Llandudno railway station
« Reply #276 on: July 17, 2012, 10:21:54 am »
I agree.

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Re: Llandudno railway station
« Reply #277 on: July 17, 2012, 10:43:54 am »
In all honesty unless there was a significant rise in the number of trains serving the North Wales coast it wouldn't be financially viable to electrify the line as with the resultant cost of the work plus new rolling stock it would take forever to recoup the money.
It pains me to say it but resignalling would have a bigger impact as it would remove the problem caused by a couple of long sections we have, especially when some boxes switch out in the evening making the sections even longer (when Talacre & Prestatyn switch out the section becomes Holywell to Rhyl). Throw in a late running train and it knocks any trains running very close behind it.
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Re: Llandudno railway station
« Reply #278 on: July 17, 2012, 11:13:43 am »
What rail project ever recoups its money? That's always an odd argument, I feel. After all, does the A55 ever recoup its money?

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Re: Llandudno railway station
« Reply #279 on: July 17, 2012, 11:49:27 am »
There's more than one way to make money. In Network Rail's case if it meant they could run more trains they would make additional revenue from the TOCs and FOCs, this would help recoup the costs of the upgrade. As it is they have spare capacity on the coast owing to the frequency (or infrequency) of the present services so the upgrade to electrification would have zero impact, on the contrary it would cost everyone a fortune.
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Re: Llandudno railway station
« Reply #280 on: July 17, 2012, 02:56:04 pm »
"End of Specials into Llandudno" the headline roared !

Funny how the west coast railway company ltd are running specials into Llandudno platform 3 for the next 5 sundays, maybe they aint being to greedy and have listened to the advise given regarding the maximum length permitted.

For your info  train arrives 1356 and departs 1401 this Sunday and returns same day 1907 and departing for Liverpool 1912.

Cameras at the ready and waiting for the how come "our" train brigade to start up their trumpets.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.

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Re: Llandudno railway station
« Reply #281 on: July 17, 2012, 05:25:35 pm »
Sorry Anne,but i just want as many specials into town as we can get and if some are greedy so be it,iwould prefer a greedy train operator than no operator at all.

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« Reply #282 on: July 17, 2012, 06:14:34 pm »
So if all of the train operators were greedy and no specials arrive in Llandudno that is their own fault and no one else's ie Network Rail etc.

Can't wait for the Weekly news to come out on thursday with the breaking news that specials are welcome to come into Llandudno, maybe the local councillors canattend the arrival of the special on sunday and have their picture taken with it to prove specials can SAFELY come to Llandudno for next years extravaganza.

Don't think any will show up though !
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Re: Llandudno railway station
« Reply #283 on: July 17, 2012, 06:28:30 pm »
Here's one - multiply it by 30 for the Town Council and 60 for the County, then deduct one for each Councillor who is on both!    ;D  Happy Days!
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Re: Llandudno railway station
« Reply #284 on: July 17, 2012, 07:28:53 pm »
I have heard it said that the excursions will only call at Llandudno on 29th July and 19th August which are the dates the train comprises 9 carriages.
The other Sundays the loading is supposed to be 11 carriages and they will go direct to Holyhead. We will see.